Tuesday, June 21, 2016

Click to see full FairFuelUK EU Survey ReportUK’s drivers and white van man overwhelmingly do not trust the EU on motoring issues related to roads, emissions, safety standards, fuel tax, cost of motoring or car manufacturing issues.


In the largest poll of attitude towards the European Union, 27,833 UK based residents answered questions concerning issues that impact on UK drivers ‘in’ or ‘out’ of the EU. These respondents came from the supporter base of the FairFuelUK campaign and from non-registered supporters via social media. The survey took place between May 12th to June 13th 2016.

97.2% of respondents drive, 99.65% are over 25 and 99.8% say they will vote on Thursday.
 

Respondents were asked: ‘Are you getting reliable well balanced evidence from both sides of the EU argument to make an informed decision on June 23rd?’: 66.2% said NO with only 1 in 8 saying YES.

 

The full survey results show the responses towards these motoring issues listed below and how being in or out of the EU will benefit or hinder them.


1.   What’s best for vehicles exports / manufacturing / prices – on 4 related questions: Vote Leave responses range from 52% to 70.3%. Vote Remain responses range from 12% to 21.6%
 

2.   What’s best for environment / emissions / safety – on 6 related questions: Vote Leave responses range from 42.9% to 57.9%. Vote Remain responses range from 9.9% to 19.8%
 

3.   What’s best for roads / transport / potholes - on 3 related questions: Vote Leave responses range from 71.3% to 73.2%. Vote Remain responses range from 5.0% to 8.5%
 

4.    What’s best for tax / VAT / Fuel Prices / cost of motoring - on 6 related questions: Vote Leave responses range from 63.1% to 74.9%. Vote Remain responses range from 4.7% to 15.7%
 

5.    ​What’s best for the Haulage Industry? Vote Leave response = 69.2% and Vote Remain response = 15%

 

All Responses


When asked ‘Which way will you vote in the EU Referendum?’: 76.4% said leave with 12.9% remain. As the age of respondents increases the likelihood of voting to leave the EU increases.



By Driving Sector


76% of respondents who run their own businesses favour leaving the EU with 81.2% of ‘white van men’ wanting out too. Nearly 7 out of 10 HGV drivers also wish to vote leave on Thursday.



The Full FairFuelUK Survey Summary can be viewed and downloaded at https://www.fairfueluk.com/EU/

 
Quentin Willson, Lead FairFuelUK Campaigner said regarding the Emissions issue: ‘The EU set air quality standards for the UK but failed spectacularly to test vehicle emissions accurately. Its time we took control and set up our own emissions testing system, a diesel scrappage scheme, increased VED on the oldest diesels and made the UK a world centre for low emission vehicle research and development. We’ve got infinitely more automotive skills than the European Commission - isn’t it time we used them?’

Quentin Willson, Lead FairFuelUK Campaigner said regarding White Van Man issue: If you’re wondering why White Van Man holds the Brussels EU liberal elite in such contempt, look at it from his side. Blizzards of needless legislation, disregard for UK sovereignty, uncontrolled migration that forces down wages and a monster yearly EU budget contribution that seems to support everybody but UK workers are just some of the reasons. The UK’s hard-working small businesses are asking what the EU has ever done for them?’



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[ posted by Andy Maddams, 21.06.16 07:27 ]

Quentin, please, please do not support a scrappage scheme. The only thing it will achieve, as before, is to remove a whole raft of perfectly good useable vehicles from the used market leaving a 'black hole' for those of us who have no choice but to buy at the bottom end of the market. If, like me, you live in a very rural area, earn a low wage and have no choice but to drive every day, a cheap economical diesel vehicle is the way forward. By cheap, I mean sub £2000 purchase price. This means, at the moment, 10 year old, higher mileage cars. With a (foster) family we need a decent sized vehicle, and a trusty old Xsara Picasso serves us very well. The 2.0hdi averages 50+ mpg without fail. The next step up the market will disappear in large numbers with a scrappage scheme, and those that are left will increase in price with fewer to round, thus making it much harder to afford a change of car.

Increasing duty on older diesels will again do nothing but make life much more expensive for those of us in this buying bracket, again mostly lower earning rural drivers. The whole point of the Fair Fuel campaign is to LOWER the cost of motoring by cutting the cost of fuel. Encouraging government actions that will cause the cost to increase will lose you support. Not only can many people in this position ill afford to change their vehicles, they cannot afford to change to older, less efficient petrol ones which will not achieve the fuel mileage that we need to be affordable or practical.

Again, I urge you not to support a scrappage scheme or increased duty on older diesels, vehicles which we were encouraged to buy by governments telling us it was the best way forward.

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[ posted by Les, 22.06.16 10:57 ]

Andy, Perhaps you should move to the town where you work, that way you would not need a car, and secondly, you would not be polluting the towns and cities with your diesel car. Diesels have heavier particulates, and there is now evidence that these particulates cause lung problems, as well as brain problems, resulting in problems such as dementia etc. You living in the countryside will possibly avoid these health problems and live to a good old age, as you have fresh air and a good quality of living, albeit with less money. I know where I would rather live, and how I would rather live. Remember, at the end of the day, not many of us can have their cake and eat it......

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[ posted by bob Collier, 22.06.16 11:31 ]

That's not the answer who is going to pay for the cost of moving this chap who is already on low wage and maybe he works in agriculture not many farms in towns and cities think of him next time you eat

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[ posted by Les, 22.06.16 18:17 ]

As I say, we can't have our cake and eat it. Also think about all those people, some as young as six years old, who are getting dementia, and think of all the other who are becoming asthmatic, I'm sure that they would also like to live in a rural area, so that they didn't have to suffer. Talking about the next time we eat, we should all pay more money for our food, to get good quality food, and those higher prices could pay the manual worker's in rural areas a better wage, couldn't it?

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[ posted by Jim, 22.06.16 11:40 ]

Les, It could well be that moving to the town is not possible. It's a recipe for depopulating the countryside of younger active working folk with families, the opposite of what we need. The answer will come eventually with the development of electric/hybrid vehicles but very few rural working people could afford them at present. We are stuck with diesel until an affordable replacement solution is found. And unfortunately we can't do without the HGVs, diesels everyone until someone comes up with another way to deliver goods.
On a different theme, I think the results of this survey only reflect the political leanings of the leadership and membership of FFC. I'm a member because I live in a rural area, can't rely on public transport and believe the price of fuel should be regulated so that we do not get these outrageous surcharges in so-called 'remote' areas. I believe we should stay in the EU for variety of reasons but mainly because leaving could have dire consequences for peace and security and for the future of the UK and the rest of Europe.

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[ posted by Les, 22.06.16 18:32 ]

Jim, but why should perfectly innocent children born into cities like Sheffield become asthmatic, or suffer dementia from the early age of six years old. A professor from the Bournemouth gave a very good talk about the problems of diesel particulates last year on the radio, and the problems are not going away, but getting worse. One cannot buy health, and as we are a society that believes keeping people in good health and helping them to live longer, then we should do something about it before it is too late. Why should the innocents, that being young and old, suffer for our greed and comforts?

I am going to buy a petrol Volvo S70 estate as my next car, and it looks like it will be a 2000 or 2001 car with over 100,000 on the clock, because that is all I can afford. My reasoning for this, is that all round, diesel is dirty and messy, both in liquid form and exhaust form. The good thing about large engined petrol cars, is that driving long distances can be nearly economical as a large engined diesel car. I am not a wealthy man, far from it, but I live by principles, that is the difference between myself and many people, these days....

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[ posted by Brin Jenkins, 23.06.16 06:27 ]

Many of us live by principles Les, I have tried for 80 years now and one of them is to live and let live. When banding dementia/health statistics around its necessary to quantify and authenticate them. Association is never proof of causation, and motors are now infinitely cleaner and more efficient than they were. Some disease will always be with us unfortunately whatever happens.

City air is better today than 45 years ago, and will continue to improve. Do we say its not enough, and revert to the pre motoring technologies? Many of us think overpopulation has much to do with our problems, we adopted family planning, the coil, condom and pill with the result our population replacement fell from 2.4 to 1.2, with immigration masking this. For me solutions to a self imposed problem seem obvious, reverse the fast breeders who are increasing our pollution here, we have done our bit and much more. One must cut ones cloth according to ones means.

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[ posted by Les, 23.06.16 16:35 ]

This motto of yours, 'live and let live', is okay, but it certainly is a good thing, that when the British went to war with the Germans, that the British and Winston Churchill did not live by that motto, is it, could you imagine letting Adolf and all his cruel cronies be left to 'live and let live', the whole world would be in a right mess now, so there are some things one cannot 'live and let live'.

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[ posted by Henry, 29.06.16 18:50 ]

Les , you have now come to the point of the matter by the very mention of the GERMANS. It is clearly due to these genetically defective criminals that we are suffering the problems of being in the EU. They are the wealthiest force in the EU and are controlling and dividing the remaining states, playing one off against the other to seed discontent. Greece is only a short stop from total destruction and others would leave if they could find a way out. Herr Merkel is biding her time to control Europe just as soon as she can.

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[ posted by Mark, 23.06.16 13:20 ]

All of you if these people in cities and towns are so concerned about emissions then maybe the answer is to restrict private vehicle ownership in them altogether! Afterall in general they have much better public transport opportunities.

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[ posted by Les, 23.06.16 16:38 ]

Partially, I agree with you, but public transport should be exactly that, and it should also work out cheaper than running your own car, that is when public transport would work. I suppose, we could alway be like India, Pakistan and China, and get hundreds of us on a lorries, buses and even thousands on trains.

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[ posted by David Pleasants, 22.06.16 06:01 ]

I wholeheartedly support Andy Maddams comments above but for different reasons. Our family car is a 2015 Mazda but my wife's runabout is an 02 plate Mazda 323 with 150,000 miles on the clock and it is a thoroughly sound vehicle capable of doubling its present mileage. It is now valued at less than £200 but is worth far more than that to us, we are a fairly well to do pensioner couple but I'm damned if I can see why I should be compelled to scrap a perfectly serviceable car and spend a considerable amount to replace it because the latest fad has turned against diesel vehicles on highly suspect grounds. If you believe in global warming, and I am far from convinced, then surely the logic is that the amount of energy, and CO2 required to build a replacement vehicle is many times greater than any savings that will be made in emissions by running a newer vehicle. We were lied to when we were taken into the Common Market and we have been lied to again by the remain camp in the run up to the referendum with farcical claims and I am sure that there is a cynical move by the vehicle manufacturers and the petro-chemical industry with which government is colluding! All they want is to squeeze more and more of our had earned savings out of our pockets and they should be resisted vigorously. The government has shown this by the constant pressure of duty on fuel and the petro-chemical industry has demonstrated this by dragging their heels when prices fall and raising them far too quickly! Both need to be pressured into backing off the individual and letting us get on with our lives!!!

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[ posted by roy willis, 22.06.16 06:12 ]

I was very impressed with the breakdown of this survey.

Once we leave the toxic EU the Fair Fuel Campaign will be a strong voice to Government. All FFC members should
encourage friends and neighbours to join.

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[ posted by KEV C, 22.06.16 07:55 ]

YES WE SHOULD LEAVE WE BEAN GETTING SHAFTED FROM DAY 1 WE JOINED

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[ posted by Margaret Rees, 22.06.16 07:01 ]

As usual, I can see both sides to all the arguments, but my own position is very simple:
We signed up to a Common Market - not a United States of Europe.
Let's have our country back!

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[ posted by Ashley, 23.06.16 00:28 ]

Agreed, charity begins at home, look after No 1, family, am I being selfish ? When I say I am an import from RSA (Durban) I support the uk makers when ever purchasing anything. Why are we buying from all the other places ? Why don't we support the UK makers ?
The fat cats sitting there in Brussels do not even go & vote or attend the sittings.
So back to me being selfish, I want a better life, for me, my kids........
I did not bring my wants, beliefs, rules, regulations when I emigrated here. I live by the rules 7 laws of the UK. FINISHED.
Apples are not red enough & miss shaped, Oranges are not the correct color.
Look at the driving rules in the EU, the EU are insisting we comply with their rules, however, they cannot decide.
Subsidies, Fishing, motoring, shipping, all are subsidized by all the "OTHER" countries, but when the UK wants to save jobs, we are told we are breaking the rules.
Sadly this is a joke now.
GET out now.
Give us our country back.

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[ posted by Norman, 29.06.16 19:00 ]

From Durban OK. Welcome to the UK but humbly apologise for the current atrocious weather. Hope you stay and thrive like many of the ex commonwealth family. Have just met my new motor service technician, hard working and highly skilled (self employed) and from Zimbabwe. Great company at the barbies too.

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[ posted by David Robertson, 22.06.16 07:36 ]

Voting to leave is the only way this country has a chance to be great again.

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[ posted by Kris James , 22.06.16 11:05 ]

We will never be safe with this government ( Tories) that's why Britain will never be better off out of EU?

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[ posted by Rick Archbell, 22.06.16 14:37 ]

Kris, Are your comments criticising this government based on what they have/have not achieved or do you simply dislike anything to do with the Conservative party - good or bad? Please be specific. Which party would you have favoured as an alternative and where do you think that party would have brought us today?

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[ posted by John Pearson, 23.06.16 07:51 ]


If we do leave, which I hope, we stand a chance of a developing a vastly improved parliament where politicians will be focused on the interests of the UK rather than at the moment where they have split loyalties between the UK and EU. In many cases thier loyalties seem to be leaning just towards the EU.

We do seem to have some utterly terrible politicians at the moment, hell bent on sabotaging the UK but in amongst them, there are some very good people. Unfortunately many of the good people haven't been allowed to move into senior positions, I guess that would be too challenging for the current incumbents.

Please vote leave and get us back to a proper tried and tested democracy.

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[ posted by Peter J Orchard, 22.06.16 07:54 ]

People feel that the EU is heading in a direction that they never signed up to. They resent the interference in our national life by what they see as unnecessary rules and regulation. And they wonder what the point of it all is. Put simply, many ask 'why can't we just have what we voted to join - a common market?'

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[ posted by Peter J Orchard, 22.06.16 07:54 ]

People feel that the EU is heading in a direction that they never signed up to. They resent the interference in our national life by what they see as unnecessary rules and regulation. And they wonder what the point of it all is. Put simply, many ask 'why can't we just have what we voted to join - a common market?'

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[ posted by Robert Devey, 22.06.16 07:56 ]

As with everything there is a price to pay if we leave the EU, however it will be only a fraction of the price if we remain, after the second world war the allies were masters of Europe and saw to it that a democratic regime was re-instated, under the present conditions we have become the SLAVES of Europe, being dictated to by faceless elitists who have no regard or concern about anything other than their own self interests. If this were a referendum to join the EU instead of leaving it would anyone in their right mind vote to join that failed crippled structure? I think not, we're better off out of it, there would not even be a Europe but for the fighting men who gave their lives so that we could have a democracy.

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[ posted by Paddy, 22.06.16 08:54 ]

Well said Robert. What a superb summary of all that is bad about being in the EU. I have copied & shared this on my facebook page as it says it all as far as I am concerned. Let's get the hell out tomorrow.

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[ posted by Colin Campbell, 22.06.16 08:01 ]

Membership Eu is a betrayal of all who died suffered in their millions for freedom . Forget trade, jobsetc Think you nbuy cos it is good quality, available easily and a fair price not cos you are in some club. Goto Wikipe3dia (respected non bias) andsee "travelling circus" or size of strawberries

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[ posted by Steve Passmore, 22.06.16 08:14 ]

My father fought in WW2 and was in a German prisoner of War camp for a number of years. He would turn in his grave now to see that Germany has achieved what they couldn't do in two world wars without firing a single shot. This is the last chance to leave a bureaucratic monster that is set to grow out of control in my children's lifetime and then will ultimately break up as all great empires do eventually.

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[ posted by Dorothy Quiney, 22.06.16 20:59 ]

I (and my father if he was still alive) concur with your sentiments. Who fought and saved Europe from dictatorship during those horrible years of the war. Those sacrifices must be in our minds now. No surrender, we have managed on our own before despite the austerity we suffered for years. Have faith in the British spirit and vote leave.

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[ posted by Gerald Stansfield, 22.06.16 08:31 ]

Vote Leave by all means.

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[ posted by Kelvin Jones, 22.06.16 08:39 ]

I agree with Andy Maddams, do not support a scrappage scheme. One main issue with scrapping perfectly good cars is about common sense. The idea is to clean up the environment and save precious resources,if these vehicles are scrapped they will have to be broken down and metals reclaimed. The pollution this causes in respect to storage of dangerous chemicals, burning of plastics, air pollution from melting down the metals, this just goes on and on. Consider the amount of fuel burned in the collection, storage and transport to reclaim site, and the pollution caused by building a new car to replace it. Far better and cleaner, and environmentally friendly to leave these vehicles in a nice clean package . Would they consider scrapping old classic cars that don't have clean engines, actually they have very dirty engines by todays standards. So what do they do in this case, waive the road tax. Politics and common sense will never meet, they are trains that pass in the night. All aboard,but which train ?

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[ posted by Roger Bennett, 22.06.16 08:39 ]

why is it that when I watch the so called debates all party's stick to the old story's about what will happen or not, never does any one bring up the latest findings and challenge the podium with them .For instance that the EU has said that all are VAT is to be 20% no cutting back any were this will add about £300 PA to every body's cost of living if the vote is stay, and with this also as reported in yesterdays papers are pension funds could be hit with up ward of £328 billion in costs if again vote stay win. This government won the Election on the grey vote and now wants to throw them away like an old toy, politician's in this country are in power for there own benefits not our's, the Electorate.
I say vote leave and spend money again on our own infrastructure, schools, hospitals, the elderly, care homes, bus passes for the over sixty's and the like. But I would go one further in the fact that if we are going down the route of a system like Australia for migrant's they should have a job first re do training to are standards and have a sponsor for a set period so they can't go on our benefits, that way they will not be able to come here to work for no more then a few month's then give up the job to get benefits that we have paid for with are taxes. And employers will have a commitment to theme as well. I think the three year before you can get benefits, proposal that the government want's Europe to adopt should be implemented here if we vote leave.

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[ posted by David M, 22.06.16 08:41 ]

No, please don't support a scrappage scheme. Today there is more news that newer diesels aren't as clean as they are supposed to be. I am also constrained to the £2000 market and need an economical car so support Andy Maddams comments above.

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[ posted by Carolyn, 22.06.16 08:49 ]

Whilst I agree that it would be good for us to be able to make our own decisions regarding such things as air pollution, when you take into account the way the current (out of touch with real life) government have run roughshod over environmental and welfare issues, how on earth can we trust them to make responsible decisions if they are given a free reign.

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[ posted by simon, 22.06.16 20:07 ]

What makes anyone think a UK government is any more trustworthy than a Brussels one? Do we think the UK gov would have done more or less than we were 'encouraged' to do by the EU, and what if the EU or the UK try to do - what is the EUs contribution to pollution globally compared to th US, India, Russia or China - 2% so whatever we do is globbaly futile unless the big polluters are reformed.
If our gov were left to their own devices more services would be outsourced, to major corporations which are no doubt not UK ones - look at trains and energy - how many fat cat CEO's and accounting department are 'we' paying for - and at least the EU tries to keep such things EU wise rather than US or other ... (TATA anyone).
Great Britain - what great industries are left that UK owned... or US, Chineese, Indian or far East?
If it wasn't for the EU we wouldn't have TUPE, that goes some way to stopping corporates abusing workers when they are traded between the corporates.
Admittedly the EU isn't perfect, like our own 'government' but such things are easier to change from the inside rather than the outside, and do remember if we want trading rights with the EU you still have to conform to their terms, their legislation. CE conformities, and even people movement et. - so lets not cut off our noses to satisfy our spite!

We leave the EU and we think 'our' goverment will drop fuel prices or taxes... get real, we're more likely to be milked as usual - oh and do we think cars or lorries will cost less, why.

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[ posted by Steve Hood, 22.06.16 08:50 ]

All the good people who lost their lives fighting for Britain in the first and second world wars would be turning in their graves if we gave our country to europe on the strength of this vote! Who knows what Brussels will come up with next? Euro-cops/ Euro-army? Told to take many many more EU citizens from many different cultures that are not even similar to our way of life. Being dictated to by non elected rulers in Brussels is not what being in the common market was ever about. This EU monster is out of control now and we need to break away now!. Vote to leave and save our country from from continuous house building on the greenbelt and the NHS from being a worldwide plundered resource.

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[ posted by Ivan Wallman, 22.06.16 08:56 ]

I fully agree that only by leaving the EU will we be able to regain our own independence and re-start our own economy and trading to the benefit of our own citizens without the interference of un-elected bureaucrats in the way our economy is framed and tax's set

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[ posted by Carol Crow, 22.06.16 09:09 ]

Hi, yes l agree with Andy Maddams, my reasons being that in March last year l was a victim of a head on crash by someone who had fallen asleep at the wheel, and not for the first time, the police would not prosecute. I lost my beloved car, one owner low mileage good condition for its year the insurance paid me peanuts for it as it was written off. Three months later I lost my husband and now drive his car it is ten years old and diesel AND very sentimental and necessary as I live in the country and l cannot afford to change it! We must leave the EU, after all the people who died to keep this country English it is not for the politicians to GIVE IT ALL AWAY.

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[ posted by Marshall Muir, 22.06.16 09:11 ]

Let's hope we are out of the EU.We didn't vote to be part of Europe,and what about all the classic diesel cars that we all cherish and love to see at concourse meets.

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[ posted by Jonathan, 22.06.16 09:56 ]

All the main polls say we will Remain, but this shows a strong Leave. I hope this one is right. After all the money we get back, it costs £161M a WEEK (official figure). Now actually it costs more as that is out of date. I would prefer we decided where all the subsidies etc. went and not the EU. And as for unelected EU Commissioners issuing laws we have to follow - that is so undemocratic. We need to leave. They say we should stay in to influence decisions. So have done well with that in the last 40 years - no we have not, so that does not stack up. I really hope this poll is right - we will not get another chance at this question for at least a generation.

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[ posted by Ray Lister, 22.06.16 10:46 ]

What a mess the EU is in! Countries are suffering under their rule. Non elected rulers, NO certified accounts ?? They want 20% vat on everything, where we would like to reduce it on much needed items. Sorry my vacuum is to powerful !!! But my floors are clean. Bent bananas !! No don't go there. The list goes on. This is Great Britain, let us show them we can survive without the EU.
I think if we leave others will follow.

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[ posted by David Farrow, 22.06.16 10:52 ]

We joined the Common Market 40 years ago after a referendum instigated by Ted Heath. I didn't believe in the Common Market then and I certainly don't believe in what it has become since. Why didn't we have a referendum before the Maastricht and other EU Treaties were signed by subsequent PM's? We have been sold down the river by our own political elite for the past forty years and we now finally got the opportunity to end this EU oppression of our country once and for all. The EU is Toxic, bureaucratic and undemocratic to the point where we will shortly loose our national identity. Vote leave for all of our sakes.

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[ posted by Ivor penny, 22.06.16 10:54 ]

They are using us to foot the bill ,greece is only tip of the iceberg. As it were.it may cause an economic downturn but this will reveal what talent we have in Westminster (are these m ps value for money?)..think of our children g/chidren

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[ posted by Bill Head, 22.06.16 10:56 ]

I fully support Andy Maddams comments. My wife and I are pensioners on a fixed income and use a Nissan NX100 that was bought new in 1992. It has 150,000 on the clock but remains a solid and reliable daily drive. We would be financially unable to purchase a newer vehicle.
As for the EU - it is imperative that we leave the whole foul jamboree that it has become. I pray that Britain comes to its senses on Thursday and votes out.

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[ posted by joyce griffiths, 22.06.16 10:57 ]

i find the Tv station very bias on what they show to the run up on the vote for the EU. they are not showing what is really happening that the EU is in such a mess, nor that there is only 8 or 9 countries that pay into the budget, the rest like poland, romania italy dont pay into the funds of the EU nor will Turkey albania and the other 3 countries trying to join. why should we pay for the rest of the EU

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[ posted by Paul Newbon, 22.06.16 11:18 ]

I do not want to consign our children to a life of corporate slavery, or the destruction of our NHS also I do not want American companies given the right to sue our country all the above via the secretive TTIP Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. I do not want this country drained of it's finances via the unchallengable in law ESM - European Stability Mechanism where ANY DEMAND for cash has to be met within 7 days NO POSSIBILITY OF ANY LEGAL CHALLENGE, NO REASONS TO BE GIVEN, NO PERSON IS LIABLE and demands as often as they like. I do not want to live under an unaccountable dictatorship. I do not want a European Army where our youths 18 - 25 can be conscripted into a foreign army to fight at the whims of some EU dictators. As for the finances, money will still be made, goods will still be bought and sold, trade agreement can keep prices high and they do in the EU by 8%, and VAT will be set and levied at the source country draining cash directly from your pockets and we import more than we export so we will be hit hard by this, we would be better off OUT. Vote OUT !

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[ posted by Lynette Shaw, 22.06.16 12:31 ]

TTIP is NOTHING to do with the EU! These are two seperate issues and this shows that people are missing the real point: TTIP is concerned with secret deals between our govt and USA to the detriment of the UK. That is not what we are voting on! Please go check out the real facts and stop listening to hysterical rantings which have no grounding in the truth BEFORE you get to the ballot box

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[ posted by D. N-W, 22.06.16 15:11 ]

Unfortunately, Lynette Shaw, you have not been correct in your comments. TTIP has EVERYTHING to do with EU, as the USA is negotiating TTIP with the EU "as a whole", not with each member-state of the EU - so we will have no option or say whatsoever! If we stay in the EU, we will be forced into a one-way, no-opt-out trade set-up that, along with the EU, will rob the UK of every penny it has!

You really need to read-up on these matters before you comment, as the whole EU-TTIP matter is shrouded in secrecy, which itself is screened by a fog of misinformation.

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[ posted by les w, 22.06.16 17:57 ]

Spot on D.n-w. TTIP is indeed everything to do with EU. But we must also make sure our own bunch do not sign up for this destructive agreement.

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[ posted by John, 22.06.16 11:46 ]

Out

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[ posted by Elaine from Swindon, 22.06.16 12:46 ]

The current EU is not the EU we signed up to join, with 7 member states. if you sign up for something in your personal life, and the T's & C's are changed beyond what you are comfortable with, you'd ditch it. Ditch the EU

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[ posted by Christine Freeman, 22.06.16 13:25 ]

The EU is in a dreadful state and the reason we're having to give the EU £250,000,000 a week is to help bail Europe out - they're dragging our country down. This money can be used to help lower income families, build new hospitals, schools. housing for younger people etc. We need to get our independence back, make our own decisions and decide the future for our children's sakes NOT have our future decided by Europe. Vote Leave!

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[ posted by Colin Campbell, 22.06.16 13:32 ]

Thank you all for the hope given above. I am 88, my sister is 90,The war in south London is still a vivid memory from bombs. doodlebugs and V1,s not history and the loss of life irreversible. But the downward path on which we are set has a lifeline, not usually available. USE IT.

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[ posted by roger bennett, 22.06.16 13:36 ]

Sorry Lynette but I have to disagree with you over TTIP, it is a European trade deal. You obviously do not take much notice of the News and Media as this is being discussed in the European parliament at the present time, there are a lot of points that governments around Europe do not agree with, but it is most definitely going to be a deal between Europe including the UK, and the UNITED STATES if we vote stay. AS I site at my computer on the news there is a point about diesel cars and there Emissions, and it was said that the majority do not meet present standards so do not back a scrap age scheme as we all cannot afford new modern cars.

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[ posted by Joan Jacob, 22.06.16 16:22 ]

If you think TTIP is nothing to do with theEU think again and I think you will find it has a lot to do with the EU! Please do not support a scrappage scheme for diesels. Rural drivers and the haulage industry rely on them until an alternative is found, and it will be found! The comments above are music to my ears to see how many people realise that we have been totally hoodwinked and mislead right from the start. It cannot possibly be democratic when we are dictated to by un-elected bureaucrats. Please please please can someone cleverer than me get all these comments to go viral before Independence Day tomorrow! I have also started a campaign, with Avaaz, to try to prevent our Stock Excange being sold to Germany be I'm not technically literate enough to get it out there! Can anyone help?

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[ posted by Bob Allen, 22.06.16 16:34 ]

Final words: for God's sake vote to leave this wretched club on Thursday. Our very last chance to take our country back and never again be beholden to anybody.
BREXIT!

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[ posted by Tim atkin, 22.06.16 16:45 ]

I will vote to leave

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[ posted by Tim atkin, 22.06.16 16:52 ]

I am voting to leave

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[ posted by Rick Archbell, 22.06.16 17:08 ]

A bit long but please bear with it!
Subject: Wow

The following statement is so true, I just can’t understand why the British Government let it happen and even though there is a referendum in the UK tomorrow, the government are trying to persuade the voters to vote to stay in the EU.

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Author unknown, but I reckon it could have come from Nigel Farage.
EU faceless officials wish to create a United States of Europe. But his much bigger wil it grow? Thinking of my daughter and any future grandchildren. A decision to Leave tomorrow will mean they can help Britain proudly stand on its own two feet again.

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[ posted by Dorothy Quiney, 22.06.16 21:04 ]

Who ever wrote the above, is telling the truth at last! A bt late though.

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[ posted by Cliff Bull, 22.06.16 17:48 ]

I would like to register a slogan for those doubters who are thinking of remaining in this failing organisation, and who are being hoodwinked by doom-sayers who are causing uncontrolled panic among them.
KEEP CALM AND VOTE OUT!!!!

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[ posted by roger bennett, 22.06.16 17:50 ]

well said rick I could not agree with you more. It is a shame that this is only on here it deserves to be global so more people that cant make there minds up could see it.

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[ posted by Richard Pigram, 22.06.16 18:28 ]

I have a Question.WHO introduced ZERO Hours into our labour market. Where did this thought come from. I have been told of employees spending thier last few bob on train/bus fare to be told when they arrive for work, they are not needed today and left to go back home ( Zero Wages ). Our HIGH STREETS have died. The REMAIN voters keep saying we will loose the ability to EXPORT if we LEAVE. We have nothing to export, everything has GONE. Our STEEL, Our COAL, Our CARS, Our Shipbuilding,Our Aero industry. I really do think its TIME TO LEAVE. Lets get GREAT back in BRITAIN.

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[ posted by brian little, 22.06.16 19:55 ]

roll on tomorrow,i will be waiting for the polling station to open at 0700 lets get the hell out of this corrupt organisation that they call the european union,it's anything but,it;s just one big gravy train for politicians

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[ posted by Rick Archbell, 22.06.16 23:00 ]

Its not too late to send Brexit The Movie (find it on YouTube) to any of your friends who are still undecided about tomorrow!

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[ posted by Richard holmes, 23.06.16 01:10 ]

How do I unsubscribe from this forum

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[ posted by Yve Scott, 23.06.16 03:52 ]

Because I thought I was going to be on holiday I have already voted - OUT .
We were once a great country , powerful and proud . Since joining the EEC which became the EU , I have watched countless small companies go to the wall due to the unrealistic rules imposed by Brussels. This expanded to larger companies going the same way . Then these rules began impacting on our basic infrastructure , schools, local government , and our great NHS .
If we stay in this corrupt organisation I dread to think where our children and grandchildren will be in the years to come .
If we leave this mechanism , we have a fighting chance to take control,of our future and become a great nation again.
One last point . We as British people are sticklers for following the rules . It's part of our make up. But you travel to Many corners of the EU and you will witness non - compliance with the same rules which brought many companies to their knees here .
Let us make and keep our own rules within acceptable boundaries.

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[ posted by Colin Campbell, 23.06.16 10:05 ]

SO WHAT TOMORROW?.May i suggest :One side or the other will be resentful, dismayed etc. and these are not people we want to take us forward.The winners of the Referendum should reform Parliament as a Coalition majority from all parties and losers form the opposition. This is the only way to see that the majority of the people have the much talked about control and will ensure that those approved will now show it was not all talk.The sad loss of a dedicated , live-in constituency member of parliament shows that the mandate for MP should include 10 years in residence to get knowledge and feel of the area. I propmise that this is my last post unless provokede! Colin Campbell

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[ posted by Dori Schmetterling, 23.06.16 10:46 ]

I am puzzled at the poll results. I ticked a lot of boxes stating that the EU had nothing to do with the matter of EU membership (such a potholes). It looks like these votes were consolidated into some sort of anti-EU result.

Furthermore, FairFuel writes in big letters how it is taking no position on the EU membership matter, then has one of its prominent leaders, Quentin Willson write an anti-EU screed which is, furthermore, based on the Out campaign's emotive and unfounded bluster.

It is OUTRAGEOUS.

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[ posted by FairFuelUK, 23.06.16 14:35 ]

We can assure you we only include responses in the final analysis that are ticked for the choices given. Any comments made that you say were ignored, were not ignored but duly noted. If the multiple choices were disregarded completely, these responses were NOT included in the summary analysis. Your implied attack on Quentin is unfair. If you look at his pre referendum video on YouTube - you will see his balanced view has been widely respected. Thanks for your comments, they are very welcome.

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[ posted by Graham Jessop, 23.06.16 12:28 ]

Was watching a BBC programme late last night that had the remain vote in front, reminds me of the Scottish Independance Referendum, same thing happened there, leading up to the polls the out team were in front by about 10%, afterwards it had swung by 10% the other way, with various videos on YouTube of vote counters removing votes. The same thing will happen here, even though on this poll the figure is way up on the out vote overall. This is nothing to do with immigration, it is to do with the NWO, and they will see this vote as a vote by the public that we want the NWO, and if it has to be fixed, it will be. I sincerely hope i am wrong on this issue, but past election results only show too well that vote fixing has been taking place, much like the Bush 2000 elections where the black votes in Florida were all discounted. The elite cabal will stop at nothing to get their way.

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[ posted by allen taylor, 23.06.16 15:03 ]

the EU has taken away not only money, but pride in our country.The EU is not what we joined many years ago,too many orders on things like food, fuel prices,and our way of life. The goverment is spinless in dealing with the problums of the world.we need strong leaders not rich snobs whno dont even know the price of a pint of milk??.

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[ posted by Christine, 23.06.16 16:14 ]

My father like a lot of others who gave up their lives fought in World War 2 to keep our country independent. So why should we give our country away and let Europe take over and tell us what to do and how to rule our country now. Keep our country British VOTE LEAVE!

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[ posted by roger bennett, 24.06.16 06:25 ]

Well!!! congratulation to everybody on here who was voting out today is are independence day. Now the hard work must start and we must not panic as you will see the pound has already slipped but if we start printing money to prop up the markets this will cause hyper inflation, we need a good strong leader not David Cameron he cannot carry on and should not be allow to this is the people's day, not the tory parties ?.

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[ posted by Colin Campbell, 24.06.16 08:30 ]

Now you know It was always going to be a small margin but now the party traitor scream will start two things are to be treasured (1) freedom to rule ourselves)priceless and(2) the wonderfull unity above party politics showb bgy people with honest opinions .Thank you

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[ posted by roger bennett, 24.06.16 13:06 ]

Now that the vote has gone the way of the leave campaign, I think this is the right time to challenge government over vat on fuel. VAT is a European tax, not a British tax. we should now press for this tax to be removed from fuel for one thing, and all other items that this tax is applied to. We may have to take a hit by having basic rate tax on fuel going up and on other things but not to the extent that it is with vat on top. Also will the campaign also challenge the government over insurance policy tax to make the Economy stronger. I don't think we should have to keep propping up Europe with borrowed money, Nor do I think that the figure of £350 million pound should also go to the NHS as it has been stated, there are a lot of things that need extra finance that has been cut over the last 40 years, and to cut the trillion pound borrowing that this government has continued to grow.

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[ posted by Colin Campbell, 25.06.16 14:06 ]

Two things were always going to happen after the referendum; satisfaction for one side and despair for the other, and the consequent division of the people instead of unity I believe that for us it was the only choice on Sovereignty alone. It was not intended as a rejection of the people of Europe, only the lunatic rules and actions or those in charge plus the sheer waste of joint funds. It is never too late to negotiate but those responsible for action at the top need to go as our prime minister has!. We expected a joint effort to make a better Europe for all of us, but like all unions, clubs etc that means at the expense of outsiders . Far better a free trade world which is really here already as a result of the Internet though this has it's own problems A sobering thought:- we could be all wiped out by an enormous meteor tomorrow so try harder!

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