Wednesday, January 30, 2013

Reacting to news that the OFT believes the UK petrol/diesel market is ‘working well’, Quentin Willson of FairFuelUK said, ‘UK consumers will be bitterly disappointed.' 


'The nation will feel let down. Quite frankly, I’m shocked. The OFT investigated in 1998 and now have done so again. Every motorist and business in Britain instinctively knows that ‘something’s not right’. The Americans and the Germans are holding inquiries




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[ posted by John Page, 30.01.13 10:50 ]

A very disappointing but sadly predictable outcome. You have to ask who is pulling whose strings??!! Somebody has got to do something about the power and cynicism of the oil companies and retailers. I find it hard to understand how prices for the same product can vary so much, where I live it's like a mini cartel (isn't that illegal?) one puts the price up they all do, another brings it down and again they all do. That cannot be a reflection in the true price of fuel. It varies a lot between the different towns.

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[ posted by john duffy, 30.01.13 10:50 ]

did we really expect this government body to say anything else ????? we motorists have always been an easy target for the government and the retailers now realize that they can do the same to us knowing the blame will just be put on the government. we will always be taxed and conned because they all know we need their fuel. seemingly at any cost.

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[ posted by zound, 30.01.13 10:52 ]

there must have been pressure from Government to have the findings favouring the industry - There is too much tax at stake for the Government to allow any reduction in prices -

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[ posted by Steve Cannon, 30.01.13 10:55 ]

Can some one please tell me why diesel is £1.43.9 in some places in Cornwall? , we have a poor public transport system so a car for the day to day things like shopping and getting to work is a must. When you think that we are amongst the poorest paid in the country and the cost of living is one of the highest, why are we constantly being victimised? The next goverment that promises a fair fuel and pay structure will be getting my vote! Can any one explain why fuel for work and general living is taking 15% of my wages each week. Many thanks Steve.

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[ posted by John Aldred, 30.01.13 11:01 ]

What a ridiculous conclusion ... "not identified any evidence of anti-competitive behaviour in the fuel market at a national level, where competition appears to be strong"

I would suggest that there is a very real problem with competition .... as there is none. How many fuel stations have gone in your locality? How close are the prices at those that remain?

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[ posted by Peter Edgington, 30.01.13 11:20 ]

Not to sound too cynical,but, seems to me somebody has been 'got at' either bribes or blackmail or pressure from above.No way could any sane person come to this decision when fuel retailers are agreeing something is not right !!

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[ posted by Geoff Monks, 30.01.13 11:53 ]

They're big, we are, individually, small. Until we get a bigger, and combined, voice we will not be heard!!

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[ posted by Duncan Tipler, 30.01.13 12:07 ]

The OFT seem to have carried out their investigation with eyes wide shut. They tell us that there is no unfare practices in the prices we pay for fuel. How can an organisation like the OFT get it so wrong. They quite correctly point to the fact that tax and VAT on fuel is what is causing fuel prices to be high. However they have stated that Supermarkets have helped keep prices down. Not in my experience they haven't!!! My local Tesco Store at Weston Favell , Northampton is consistently 2p a litre dearer than other garages. I am told by staff that they take the prices of other retailers within a 20 mile radius and then set their prices accordingly. Surely they should be looking at their costs and profits to set their prices to ensure their customers get a fair deal. This of course, is only the case unless they are running a promotion of spending so much in store say £50 and then you get a 5p Litre off. My view is that if they can supply fuel at 5p less if you spend the £50 then surely they could at least reduce their fuel prices by a constant 3p. It's high time that the Government put measures in place to stop this practice. Supermarkets do not give us anything for nothing!!!

With regard tax on fuel. There is evidence to show that the crippling taxes are stiffling growth in the UK economy. This Government doesn't care about the economy as they know they are not going to be in office after the next election. Therefore we, the British Public, are waisting our time campaigning against this injustice. Instead we should be asking other political parties what they intend to do. However I feel no matter who governs this Country they won't have the appitite to confront the problem. It is time that politicions looked in other areas to raise taxes or save money for the economy. For instance, we have a massive labour market sitting in prisons just waiting for the day they are released and whiling away their time watching Tv or playing computer games. Why isn't this resource being used to cut local Government costs and thereby the government's costs leaving more in the coffers so as to allow for a reduction in duties. I am sure the government Think Tanks could come up with other ideas such as this.. This government and any successive Government needs to stop taxing the hard working people of this land and remember you serve us not the other way around. Stop hitting motorists, the disabled and hard working families with crippling taxes and work harder to find other solutions. In short the Government needs to work harder and stop this playground attitude of it's somebody else's fault. They are halfway through a term in office and have already brought this country to its knees. Their affluant lifestyle and demonising of certain groups in society isn't going unoticed. Do something Brave - think outside the box for once...!!!

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[ posted by Keith duckmanton, 30.01.13 12:15 ]

Following the oft report, it is obvious why petrol is so expensive but the oft have not stated it. We are paying too much in duty and vat. If this was reduced to make petrol £1 a litre, then people would get out more with the knock on effect on retail sales. Transport costs would at least stay the same and so that would be helpful to retailers to keep costs down. Unfortunately the last government and the present con-dem lot will not kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
Regards
Keith Duckmanton

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[ posted by Mike Stuart, 30.01.13 12:20 ]

For whom is it "working well"....?

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[ posted by Ro, 30.01.13 12:22 ]

A completely justified verdict from the OFT. The full report is well evidenced and its decisions cannot be disputed.

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[ posted by Michael Hudston, 30.01.13 12:24 ]

It should have been clear to everyone, that the OFT were never looking to address the two real causes of high fuel prices in the United Kingdom.

The First is the Excessive Taxation by the UK Government on the cost of Fuel

The Second is the way Oil is traded on the Markets outside of any one countries control. This is driving up wholesale prices, where no real cost increase exists.

Instead they concentrate on the approx 4% of the cost which is the Retail Market.

If we want to pay a fair price for fuel then these first two issues need addressing. The UK Government can easily give us fuel at a fairt price and that is reduce the tax that is charged on it.

Mike Hudston @NoVATonFuelDuty

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[ posted by Ian Slaney, 30.01.13 12:24 ]

The OFT report finds that 'competition working well' , who for? the oil/fuel business presumably, definitely not the motorist.

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[ posted by Rev Peter W Gilroy, 30.01.13 12:30 ]

Not at all surprised - disappointing, underwhelming and wholly unacceptable outcome. I would like to see how the tune would change if the OFT staff were forced to endure the low pay and exorbitant petrol price hikes that many workers and poor and struggling families have to endure for a few weeks. This OFT conclusion is to be soundly rejected.

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[ posted by Mal Dunn, 30.01.13 12:36 ]

This really is a crock of the preverbial. It is blatantly obvious that something is amiss. How can it be that the prices are higher when Brent crude is high and stay high when Brent crude drops. If this is not racketeering I don't know what is. The companies have jumped the prices up even before the actual date it should go up. This happens all over. We are just being held to ransom. I hate to say it but doesn't this smack of "don't rock the boat, in case we open a can of worms, and this will crush my shares."?
Sorry but enough is enough. Press for a proper investigation, not a half-hearted scratch at the surface one.

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[ posted by Mark, 30.01.13 12:37 ]

"...some of the cheapest road fuel prices in Europe..."? An astonishing statement - for petrol, they might have a point, but diesel is consistently at or very near the top of European diesel price tables. The main reason? Government taxation policies. And it is diesel which is used by hauliers, public transport operators and the vast majority of business journeys.

If any progress is going to be made, we MUST educate the media that this is about "fuel" and not "petrol", and continue to highlight the disproportionately high cost of diesel in the UK compared to our European neighbours. And finally, continue to highlight the impact of commodity markets gambling with our money and our economy.

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[ posted by Rick, 30.01.13 12:40 ]

I'm wholly disgusted and feel totally let down by the OFT. One can only assume that they have been put under political and/or oil industry pressure to place their collective heads in the sand. How much more evidence do they need?
They should be ashamed of themselves! Their title should be changed forthwith to "Office of UN-fair Oil Trading"!

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[ posted by david knowles, 30.01.13 12:47 ]

one question that needs answering is why diesel is more expensive when it is not as refined as petrol therefore cheaper to produce . if this was cheaper at the pumps it would make a vast difference to haulage costs with a knock on effect of cheaper goods etc . another point that bugs me is not long ago the government was urging people to go diesel because it was easier to refine so better for the environment , better mileage per gallon and cheaper to buy . now look whats happened . another issue ,probably the biggest , is the tax on fuel ,not just the duty but the vat which is the real con , it is tax on tax .

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[ posted by Mark, 30.01.13 12:52 ]

"...some of the cheapest road fuel prices in Europe..."? An astonishing statement - for petrol, they might have a point, but diesel is consistently at or very near the top of European diesel price tables. The main reason? Government taxation policies. And it is diesel which is used by hauliers, public transport operators and the vast majority of business journeys.

If any progress is going to be made, we MUST educate the media that this is about "fuel" and not "petrol", and continue to highlight the disproportionately high cost of diesel in the UK compared to our European neighbours. And finally, continue to highlight the impact of commodity markets gambling with our money and our economy.

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[ posted by Louise, 30.01.13 12:57 ]

Disgusting, think that sums it up,

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[ posted by Steve Robertson, 30.01.13 13:01 ]

Whitewash!

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[ posted by John, 30.01.13 13:15 ]

Surely the main issue here is the amount of tax the government slaps on fuel. The product itself is cheap, but it is, and always has been an easy option for any government to fill its coffers, because most of us have no option but to pay up.

I'm a retired HGV driver and know only too well how transport costs have risen in recent years, and everything we buy is transported by lorry, so we are all taxed again and again on the same product.

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[ posted by Geoff Paddock, 30.01.13 13:16 ]

probably true that garages who make very little profit are being fair. Motorway service stations are money grabbing but the biggest problem is the exorbitant tax that we pay. So various governments are the the real problem. The motorist is just seen as a cash cow.

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[ posted by Michelle Murray, 30.01.13 13:26 ]

Knew this would be the findings, not because the report was right but because, obviously any negative press might push the gov into actually doing something for the hardworking but struggling motorists of this country. They wanna keep the tax/duty on fuel, simple as. Disgusting, they won't listen and are willing for this country to be on it's knees. Never again will I vote for CONservative.

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[ posted by Mr Ronald G Storey, 30.01.13 13:44 ]

Just as we the public expected,A COMPLETE WHITE WASH. There is just to much money to be made by the OIL COMPANIES,GOVERNMENT. to ever produce a true honest report. Play with words,figures and you can tell Joe public what you like,some will believe it,thus weakening the argument of the rest(they will be to busy fighting between themselves).This and all future Governments need to be told in no uncertain that we their employers have had enough of their lies and being treated like ignorant lower beings. Unfortunately those whose job it is to keep finding income for the country have just got into a mind set HIT THE MOTORIST they are an easy target,without thinking about the consequences of their actions,ie: higher fuel prices mean high costs on everything that is transported on our laughable roads(thats another issue to be dealt with) which means less money for people to spend on goods that we should be making not importing.

You can fool all the people some of the time
You can fool some of the people all the time
You CAN NOT fool all of the people all of the time

Well times UP. Time for truth .

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[ posted by Chris, 30.01.13 13:52 ]

An only too predictable - yet profoundly disappointing - whitewash.
Previous posters have said it - too much tax, tax on tax, speculation rigging the market, and tacit collusion between the major fuel suppliers (unfortunately not illegal).
The fuel "market" is indeed working well - for the fuel suppliers and the Treasury coffers.
Motorists (hauliers, business and private) are indeed a "cash cow", and will continue to be milked until they speak with a single voice and have real political influence. Keep up the good work, FairFuelUK.

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[ posted by Phil Bennett, 30.01.13 13:54 ]

Once again the OFT working hand in glove with the government.Is the government so blind as to see fuel duty is crippling the UK economy and strangling any chance of growth.We need fuel duty down and a cut in vat to getting people out spending again and getting the economy going.The economy will only continue going backwards while ever Osborne &Co have their heads in the sand.

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[ posted by Linda Weeks, 30.01.13 14:05 ]

This is obscene! How dare they treat us all like fools! Cant they see what they are doing to the working man!

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[ posted by Chris, 30.01.13 14:06 ]

An only too predictable - yet profoundly disappointing - whitewash.
Previous posters have said it - too much tax, tax on tax, speculation rigging the market, and tacit collusion between the major fuel suppliers (unfortunately not illegal).
The fuel "market" is indeed working well - for the fuel suppliers and the Treasury coffers.
Motorists (hauliers, business and private) are indeed a "cash cow", and will continue to be milked until they speak with a single voice and have real political influence. Keep up the good work, FairFuelUK.

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[ posted by Geoff Warburton, 30.01.13 14:07 ]

I echo another, previous, comment - for WHOM, exactly is it "working well"? The Oil Companies - Yes, indeedy! The Government - Of course! The Consumer... eeermm...

The single fact that we pay TAX (VAT) on TAX (fuel duty) PROVES that there is something very wrong. This government and all those before it have taken motorists and all road users for a long and financially painful ride for many years. It's about tiime, someone got their come-uppance. Disgusted!

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[ posted by John, 30.01.13 14:18 ]

Working well? For the government and retailers maybe but NOT for the consumer. If the OFT's function is to protect the consumer, they have not done so this time.

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[ posted by David Forden, 30.01.13 14:48 ]

Sounds like the OFT are in the pocket of the government and petrol companies. They have said exactly what they wanted them to.

Unsurprisingly...

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[ posted by nigel coe, 30.01.13 15:19 ]

So why is diesel more expensive than unleaded in the uk and not in the rest of europe, will we get a straight answer, keep pushing them guys, my local TOTAL station put their diesel up by 3p last thursday making it 1.48.9 a litre sadly no competition in the countryside.

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[ posted by Alan Coates, 30.01.13 15:32 ]

Wasn't Gordon Brown whilst as Chancellor responsible for increasing the duty on diesel above that on petrol?

Of course that resulted in the double whammy of increased duty plus extra VAT on the cost of diesel.

I was driving in Belgium, France and Germany in October last year and diesel was considerably cheaper than petrol in all three. I am led to believe that it is even cheaper in Luxembourg and Switzerland.

Of course the people living on the continent are able to shop around the different countries for the best price, we of course don't have that luxury.

We are stuck on this small group of islands known as "rip off Britain".

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[ posted by Libertyscott, 30.01.13 15:34 ]

Frankly, until you address the 58p/litre of fuel duty, compared to the EU legal minimum level of around half that, it is a distraction to take attention off of this.

There needs to be a concerted effort to: split fuel duty into a hypothecated road tax, a carbon tax and a general revenue tax, and to work on the last of those being abolished.

You'll get far more for motorists knocking 20p/l off of fuel duty over several years than expecting a heavier regulatory burden on the sector will deliver value.

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[ posted by John Mc Guigan, 30.01.13 15:36 ]

We shouldn't be surprised. The government will not tackle the "oil barons" because they might withdraw their funding of the government.
It's time the nation told the government that we cannot and will not take anymore of this.

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[ posted by Tim King, 30.01.13 15:40 ]

So the high prices are purely down to tax. That's alright then, so long as it's just the gov ripping us off and not the industry!

There are two sides to the industry - those who benefit and those who suffer. The gov and oil companies benefit and the rest of us suffer. Every fuel price increase, for whatever reason, causes all other prices to increase - that includes food. Note to HM Gov - We need food to live!!!

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[ posted by ND (Cardiff), 30.01.13 15:51 ]

I can't help feeling that some large backhanders have been moving back and fore here - unless the OFT were speaking ironically? How else do they explain the quick response when wholesale prices rise and much slower response (if at all) when prices fall? And whence speculators? I wasn't expectingpublic floggings, but surely their actions aren't in anyone's interests except their own?

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[ posted by Trevor Fleisig, 30.01.13 15:56 ]

Coblers, what a blanket whitewash. The OFT had the nerve to say without all the Tax Vat our fuel is very cheap. Absolutely ignoring the fact that each gallon is tax rated at nearer 60% straight to the Government. Everbody from Hauliers down to ordinary motorists desaerves afar better deal.

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[ posted by Steve Whitehouse, 30.01.13 16:14 ]

Seriously. Are they blind! Looks to me like they are trying to protected a vested interest. They won't be satisfied until they have driven this country to it's knees and every hard working person into poverty. Give us a break guys. This is a whitewash and I refuse to believe it.

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[ posted by Mike, 30.01.13 17:03 ]

Shameful sham of an investigation from a shambles of a government body...

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[ posted by Paula Rogers, 30.01.13 17:41 ]

Tesco are well known for keeping their prices low until the nearest independent petrol station goes out of business, then they hike the, up and keep them hiked up. It's an outrage.

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[ posted by Geoff Pyne, 30.01.13 17:51 ]

Instinct ”that something’s not right” is not useful evidence to support your case.
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Why diesel is more expensive than unleaded in the UK when this is not the case in Europe:

Because UK government excise duty is much higher than in continental Europe. Total duties (excise duty VAT) are respectively 60% and 58% for petrol and diesel in UK, compared with 56% and 49% on continental Europe (average for France, Germany, Italy, Spain). So this is the government’s choice, not the fault of the oil companies.
Our pre-tax prices for petrol and diesel were respectively 0.553p/litre and 0.610p/litre in December last year. This is significantly less than for continental Europe (averages 0.681 and 0.715p/litre).
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You state that “falls in the oil price” take a long time to be reflected at the pump. I see no evidence for this. Neither does the OFT.
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Why there are such variations in price, often from the same branded forecourts, within the same area.

Surely you would be even more upset it they were all the same! Price variations are evidence that there is competition, which is what we want.
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Rigging of the oil commodity market:

Oil is the biggest traded commodity in the world, both in physical market value and the paper (speculative) trade. Because of this it is hard to rig on a global/ongoing basis.
In the past the US has tried to moderate oil prices by releasing hundreds of thousands of barrels per day from its strategic petroleum reserve (SPR), but to little avail.
It also occurs to me that if someone were able to rig the market

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[ posted by David Welton, 30.01.13 18:08 ]

Just goes to show that the Goverment are happy to take money off motorists in tax whilst saying that the oil companies are to blame

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[ posted by steven hill, 30.01.13 19:01 ]

How do they explain why diesel is 7p a litre more expensive than petrol, when diesel is a lot cheaper to produce!!!!!!

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[ posted by William Baker, 30.01.13 19:59 ]

Having just listened on the radio to someone representing petrol retailers state that at the moment there is a glut of petrol and that with the lack of demand due to the inclement weather we should be seeing large decreases in the price of petrol not large increases, the blame for the increases lies firmly in the lap of the speculators also with the governments rapacity for squeezing more and more tax out of the motorist, i retire in a few months time so my donations to the exchequer through fuel duty are going to be 75% less than they are now also as i quit smoking 5 years ago thus denying the chancellor some £3000 pounds a year in tobacco duty it does not take the brain of Britain long to work out that there is a law of diminishing demand,the higher you tax something the less people at least those with any sense will use it if i give up having a drink as well in my case the chancellor is going to be worse off by at least some £8000 a year imagine if all the hard working tax and NI contributors did the same what would happen then and who would pay, maybe the parasites that have never worked or the ones who think that work does not pay and are happy to receive benefits off the state i do not think so, what we need is a total rethink on taxes and there redistribution and maybe then if someone has the guts to implement it we might end up with a more just society because from what i can see it does not matter which main party you vote for at the moment they are all the same, maybe if we all refrained from revenue grabbing pursuits the politicians might have to wake up and use their imaginations for once.

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[ posted by Mike Holmes, 30.01.13 20:39 ]

This is rediculous. Just 4 - 5 years ago it was £20 worth just to 'top it up', then it was £30, now it's £40. Are they blind? I also have 2 motorcycles that haven't moved for 4 years, can't afford to put petrol in them. If I need to go any real distance I have to check my bank balance first to see if I can afford it.

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[ posted by Jennifer McGirr, 30.01.13 21:21 ]

Happily, I have recently moved into the ranks of those who can choose, most of the time, how often to use the car.
This governments stubborn refusal to listen to all of the points frequently raised by Fair Fuel means it is only the very wealthy among us who can fill their tank without a second thought.
Motoring, like air travel because of outrageous taxes, is once again priced virtually out of the reach of ordinary people. I am convinced this situation is what politicians truly want not least because it is the only answer they have to our increasingly congested roads. Can't you just hear them saying "keep the riff raff off the roads as much as possible so that the rest of us can get around." The government is never going to allow publication of anything critical regarding the current status quo which exists between them & everyone in the oil industry. Any cartel operations are being conveniently ignored but we all know they exist between garages., it's a joke.
During this prolonged recession it has only been hard up consumers who have suffered terribly because of extortionate car fuel prices & only a handful of politicians gives a damn. It is a national disgrace.

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[ posted by Geoff Peck, 30.01.13 21:29 ]

So there is a glut of fuel aparently. I wonder why then that as the results of the report were announced my local stations [ in a small rural town where a supermarket dominates and has prices higher than at stores in other towns] decides to bang on an extra 1p/litre. The differential between petrol and diesel is now 9p/litre.

How can the OFT have reached the conclusions they have. Perhaps they live in little boxes drip fed government and industry statistics. They appear to have total disregard to what is staring them in the face.

So what do we do next to convince them the sqeezed pips have not only squeaked but have been crushed.

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[ posted by William Stevens, 30.01.13 22:15 ]

I would like to know why we are paying tax twice on fuels.
We have Fuel Duty and VAT.
We originally had the Fuel Duty, and then when VAT was brought in it was just added on top of it. Surly this can not be fair.
I am a pensioner on a basic State Pension; I along with my wife live in a rural part of Norfolk, I have to run a car as there is virtually no public transport after the middle of the day.
I am not sure how we will cope if there are any more increases I fuel or taxes.
Please, No More Increase in Fuel Prices or we will be housebound and forced to stay in our own village for shopping, also be unable to attend Hospital appointments.
I ask you, Is this right or fair? NO!

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[ posted by richiie winter, 30.01.13 22:23 ]

how come diesel is dearer than petrol when diesel is cheaper too manufacture, what a waste of time and money the oft is no teeth pathetic

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[ posted by David Brewster, 30.01.13 22:42 ]

Extremely disappointed. Clearly the OFT has done a piss poor job at looking at all of the facts if the findings are as above? Do they seriously expect the public to accept and trust their judgement ever again. Perhaps the OFT should be fully assessed on their impartiality and effectiveness in this matter. If every motorist instinctively feels something is wrong, then something is wrong. Thousands of people cannot be wrong. Yes the fuel duty on top of VAT has caused the prices to rise, but what about the oil speculators? What about passing on savings at the pumps when the barrel of oil drops? Why do the supermarkets drop their prices first and the brands like Shell always put the increases out first?
Who is looking out for the motorist now? Do we have to take matters into our own hands and begin boycotting forecourts? What about organising no fill days? Where next?

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[ posted by Bill, 30.01.13 23:57 ]

The membership of the OFT should be compelled to reveal if any of them have shares or any other connections financial or personal with the oil industry

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[ posted by William, 31.01.13 01:00 ]

We recently witnessed the case of Dave Hartnett, the Permanent Secretary for Tax at HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC), who favoured Goldman Sachs with a tax gift of £10million and now been rewarded with a very lucrative job for a mobile phone company so the membership of the OFT should be ibdependently investigated to discover if they have or ever had any shares or other financiall dealings or connections or lucrative job offers from the mega rich oil industry which may have had a bearing on their findings in this report

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[ posted by Howard Elliott, 31.01.13 07:41 ]

Why the Government thinks the OFT can produce an impartial report on this, heaven knows, they are far too close to political influence, suspect there has been a few off the record conversations over dinner and cocktails in an attempt to produce a "lets not rock the boat" message.IT'S A FIX. Question does OFT stand for the Office of Fuel Tax.

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[ posted by Eleanor, 31.01.13 11:07 ]

The OFT report was clearly compiled by a group of people that never have to pay for their own petrol or travel costs. Out in the rural areas of Britain (yes, there is life outside London) we are totally dependent on our cars for work and grocery shopping, so we have to pay ever increasing fuel costs - often at the expense of other essentials like heating and food.

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[ posted by Andy Shute, 31.01.13 11:25 ]

Vat on utilities is at a reduced rate (rightly so) of 5% yet fuel is as much as a necessity/utility but we get hit at 20%! I'm still puzzled why diesel is significantly higher in cost 36p a gallon than petrol when surely it is not as refined? The motorist is too easy a target.

A bizarre thought BUT why not abolish Vehicle excise duty and ADD 1p per litre to all fuel BUT then as revenues would rise because no avoiding VED the govt could then make VED staff redundant, close offices get rid of anpr vans and then use the savings to reduce fuel duty!!! Not rocket science

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[ posted by Chris Davies, 31.01.13 14:34 ]

I'm sure i will find the words of the OFT very comforting next time i'm squeezing the diesel pump as simultaneously the cold hands of the chancellor move from a gentle tug to an ever tightening squeeze on my balls!

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[ posted by Derek Imrie, 31.01.13 16:03 ]

As said, another government whitewash. How they can possibly say the competition & pricing is fair, heaven knows. There must have been government interversion in this decision. This was done over some six weeks. What about all the3 years before that this farce has been going on. We may have the lowest prices - PRE TAX - but the pump price is the only one we see and it is the most expensive in Europe. My experience is Austria where petrol was cheaper than the UK and diesel was cheaper than petrol. The service station was the only one in a small town. If fuel keeps going up, more people will either reduce their use or stop driving altogether, so less tax to the government. Don't they see this or are they that thick!! It is common sense to me and I am sure to many more. Again only the rich will be able to use cars which appears to be what this load of idiots want. If we all refused to buy petrol for a couple of days or more, then the companies and government may take some notice. Mind you this lot are totally blind and wont be told.

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[ posted by Nigel White, 31.01.13 23:43 ]

Yet another whitewash by a government department! I take it they consider it fair that pensioners and the less well off , who live in rural areas, are stranded at home, unable to afford to drive their cars anywhere, cut off from their children and grandchildren who live in other parts of the country and who have had to cut down on their social lives!
Is it fair that we pay money to China, India and Bermuda, yet see our own people unable to enjoy their lives after a lifetime of working hard?
Is it fair that nearly 80% of the cost of fuel is duty, which itself is then taxed?
Is it fair that we have to put up with a government that seem hell bent on making driving something for their rich friends only, pushing up the cost of everything so only the wealthy can enjoy life and the rest of us suffer to pay for them!
Let all MPs try to survive on a pension while they are in office, they couldn't, as they don't have the gumption to do so and don't have any interest in listening to the people who voted for them! Well they had best be warned, I will not be voting for them again! That's three parties I will boycott now, UKIP here I come, join me folks, left or right, lets teach them a lesson they won't forget!

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[ posted by Tony Mercer, 13.02.13 15:35 ]

Same old same old whitewash with the government and it's sycophants telling us how well off we are. I gave up my 60k miles a year volunteering job taking patients to hospitals because of the fuel costs which rose more than 30% in just 3 years.
When I traveled in Germany and Austria I was amazed how much cheaper the cost of living was compared to the UK due in part I suspect to cheaper fuel and transport costs. Industry was thriving even in a recession and there was evidence of growth everywhere. The people actually seemed to trust their politicians to do the job for which they were elected and act in the best interests of the electorate not in the vested interests of party supporters and possible future employers when their political gravy train had stopped.

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