Sunday, July 29, 2012
At FairFuelUK, we encourage key opinion formers to send their views and comments about fuel pricing issues. This very interesting post is from Raymond J. Learsy. Author of "Oil and Finance: The Epic Corruption Continues-2011/2012”

"Foolhardy perhaps. But brave nonetheless. Taking on the entrenched might of the oiligarchs, their vested government cohorts, the financial world’s speculation driven excess, the lame oversight agencies and just the rote power of all that oil money pushing to keep the status quo intact requires a remarkable spirit and act of faith. Are the good souls of FairFuelUK dreamers. Probably yes, but it is well past time some began the Herculean task of taking on the oil gang and all their vested hangers-on. No easy task.
 
To set the stage clearly please appreciate that no less than three years ago on July8th, 2009 Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French president Nicolas Sarkozy joinly scripted an opinion piece "We Must Address Oil Market Volatility: Erratic Price Movements In a Market of Such Importance is Cause For Alarm”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124699813615707481.html  for the Wall Street Journal which the WSJ in their wisdom printed on their opinion page below the fold.
 
The article voiced their deep concern over "dangerously volatile” oil prices that defy "the accepted rule of economics.” Clearly leading from the top has not done anything to change the mores nor deter the entrenched interests to push for ever higher oil prices. Only a month ago  the price of oil jumped some 9.36 percent on the most specious of reasons in one days trading on the world Commodities Exchanges or a move of some $7.27 for WTI (West Texas Intermediate). At $7.00 per barrel, times the world’s daily consumption of some 85 million barrels, you do the sums on the massive transfer of the world’s wealth to the pockets of oil interests on this one day’s price movement alone (also please see "Oil Price Skyrockets 9.36 Percent in Friday’s Trading. Supply and Demand, Eh??” 07.02.12)   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j-learsy/oil-price-skyrockets-936_b_1643325.html
 
Clearly the oil market is manipulated. In 2005 and with an updated version in 2007, I published "Over a Barrel: Breaking Oil’s Grip On Our Future” which detailed at length the impact of the OPEC cartel on the oil market and its quiescent allies in the halls of government in the U.S. and abroad happily cheered along by the non OPEC oil producers (high prices for OPEC mean high prices for Shell, Exxon, et al.). It is a horror tale of money buying government policy.
 
But of course OPEC is not the only player in the game. There are the commodities exchanges be they in New York, London, Singapore, Dubai and on, where the price of oil is purportedly traded to reflect unfettered supply and demand, and on which the price of oil is bought and sold. Yet, near 70 percent of the contracts traded are by speculators who have no industrial nor commercial rationale to buy or sell crude oil and myriad downstream petroleum products from heating oil, diesel, gasoline of course and on, other than playing casino with the oil market. They are neither producers nor end consumers, and some, given their financial clout are able to move markets simply to profit from trading. (please see "Banks in Collusion With The Fed Shamelessly Spike Up Price of Oil/Gasoline” 07.18.12)  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j-learsy/oil-price-skyrockets-936_b_1643325.html
 
But, please don’t take my word for it, especially so when one can turn to the Darth Vader of all things oil, namely Mr. Rex Tillerson, Chairman and CEO of Exxon Mobil. In hearings before the Senate Finance Committee in Washington on May 12, 2011, Mr Tillerson quite courageously informed the Committee that the price of oil then near $100/bbl, should be no more than $60-$70/bbl 


 
One would have thought testimony of that dimension of authority should have bestirred myriad government agencies and perhaps have been a wakeup call for an ever somnolent press on this core issue. But no, all continued as before. Yes there was something called the Oil and Gas Pricing Fraud Panel organized by the U.S. Justice Department in April 2011 from which we have not, as yet, heard a peep.
 
Therefore, my fellow dreamers at FairFuelUK dream on, because the only way the cards, as they are currently being dealt are going to change is if enough people understand how they are being taken to the cleaners by the moneyed players. That they must stand up as one voice to demand government action. Your work is important and sadly in many ways, you are one of the few tillers of the soil demanding that change."
 
Raymond J. Learsy: Author of "Oil and Finance: The Epic Corruption Continues-2011/2012” "Oil and Finance: The Epic Corruption-2006/2010” Website: RaymondLearsy.com



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[ posted by james king, 29.07.12 20:04 ]

still too much tax by the goverment

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[ posted by Chris Wood, 29.07.12 20:07 ]

A point not often mentioned is that the price of diesel in the UK, uniquely in Europe, is more expensive than petrol. It is a cruder fuel than petrol and cheaper to produce. I believe that it is no coincidence that the price difference has increased as of diesel car ownership increases and the oil producers attempt to maintain or increase their profit We are told that the higher cost is due to a shortage of production facilities in the UK. It would cost no more to ship in diesel than it would raw oil.

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[ posted by Anthony Kennell, 29.07.12 20:07 ]

I am sure this has been occuring for many years, with succesive governmats letting it happen in order to gain more revenue.

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[ posted by cj, 29.07.12 20:09 ]

f.....g s..m b..s

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[ posted by stephen sanderson, 29.07.12 20:11 ]

to be honet we just have a greedy greedy government the price would not be that bad if you take off vat then government fuel tax .

yes we have to address all greed oil companies and government but the thing is it will back fire on all of them with less consumption with developmentn of alternative power.

Such as hybrid, veg oil, electric eventually the oil rich countries will loose out .

so by greed now repent later

the same will happen with the current government at the ballot box

its about time we had candidates for fairfuel as an alternative not just road fuel but all fuels gas and electricity

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[ posted by Bob, 29.07.12 20:13 ]

If a speculator buys oil, he must sell it again - that's what speculators do.
It doesn't affect the overall supply and demand of the product.
Speculators buy and sell - they don't consume.

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[ posted by MICHAEL SHELTON, 29.07.12 20:15 ]

VERY RICH ,BY LOOKING AT THEM,AND PROBABLY FROM RICH AND WEALTHY PARENTS WHO SENT THEM TO SCHOOLS AND GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO CAMOUFLAGE TRUTH FROM REALITY WITH FACTS AND FIGURES.

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[ posted by John Rowley, 29.07.12 20:16 ]

It will be a big task to get the people of this nation to realise that they hold the power to change things.
This country is rapidly moving away from democracy. Consultation of the masses is just a box to tick. The government ( and the other parties) care little for the man in the street, only to feather their own nest.

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[ posted by pam, 29.07.12 20:20 ]

its time we got rid of this government they are to only concerned about lining there own pockets they dont care about us and they dont have to worry about fuel prices

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[ posted by john walsham., 29.07.12 20:22 ]

Clearly the oil market is being manipulated, and it is past the time to get it sorted. so come on and lets see some results quick.

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[ posted by Eric watt, 29.07.12 20:25 ]

I think this interview tell us every thing its the wast of time hangers on that dont have a thing to do with fuel that is causes the problems They Just dishonesty thieving money grabbing crooks They are a wast of space.

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[ posted by Paul Baker, 29.07.12 20:26 ]

As for the goverment they have made their money by the inflated fuel pump prices which has given them their VAT. As for the oil producers they have reduced their prices, but this has not filtered down to us, the general public and road haulage: they are as corrupt as the polititians and Bankers; they should all be held accountable for the state we are in.

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[ posted by Simon, 29.07.12 20:27 ]

There is an old saying don't rock the boat ? Well we say its time to rock the world ? There is no shortage of Energy for Cars,Trucks Boats, Planes, Buildings & Factory's Clean energy is available 24/7 oil really as had it's day time for the truth no lies investment will reduce energy costs so we all can benefit ?

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[ posted by veronica P griffen, 29.07.12 20:27 ]

Have always thought that prices were manipulated by the high and mighty now the evidence is imerging to show what is going on. I live in a small rural area with a miles walk to the nearest Bus stop if fuel prices continue to go up be it government or oil rich states I will soon be isolated from the outside world because on my pension I will be unable to fill the tank up to stay mobile. DOES ANYONE CARE ? Please start to think about how isolation would effect YOU ! All you big wigs who are apparently running the Country need to care a bit more for the people who put the "Great"into Britain and not forget who put you in Power to look after the requirements of the people of this Country. Fuel pricing will break all the small business who are trying to make an honest living and Taxing all of them through the FUEL is not helping them to stay IN BUSINESS for the benifit of the Country as a whole

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[ posted by Mr Guy Jones, 29.07.12 20:29 ]

When will one decent MP stand up and ask the right questions, if enough of them did they would not have to fear the repercusions. no one voice will change the oil industry, but the man/women on the street deserve to be heard.. Money on such a large scale is unreal to the average person, the figures are totally incomprehensible to the average citizen.. I am not a politicaly motivated individual, i am just an average working man, who wants a fair wage for a fair days work, and then have the opportunity to spend my money on things i need or want, without being ripped off by people who already have more money than they can ever spend.....

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[ posted by John Peters, 29.07.12 20:31 ]

This is disgraceful. No wonder my heating oil cost me £528 to fill my tank last month compared to £387 only 6 months before.
Are the big Banks in cahoots with the oil moguls? If so, why is the Government doing nothing to regulate them? If they are doing anything, why have we not been kept informed?

I have a choice of several garages near me selling petrol.
The nearest in Brundall Norfolk, is charging 139.9p per litre unleaded. Tne next a mile futher on is charging 131.9p a litre. That is a Shell garage. The next, an Esso garage charges 128.9p per litre.
These garages are within 8 miles of each other, so why the different prices? And why can Morrisons Supermarket in Norwich knock 5p per litre off the price of petrol if I spend £50 in the shop? They must be making one hell of a profit on the petrol sold without the shop spend?

So much for the Big Society and We Are All In This Together.....not if we live in a rural area we are not !

I have no choice but to use my car to take my terminally ill wife to our local hospital for appointments, chemo, steroid injections, scans and x-rays. Sometimes 11 times a month. Each trip is 38 miles round trip. I am only one of a huge number of people doing this hospital thing judging by the lack of parking space at the hospital itself. Every space is usually full and I have to take the wheelchair out of the car, wheel my wife into the reception area then get out to find somewhere to park, sometimes half a mile away from the hospital before Mr Jobsworth slaps a sticky ticket on the windscreen telling me I will be fined if I park there again.

What would MP's do if it were their wives with terminal cancer and they were in my position? Get a Parliamentary Privilege space no doubt

Let us band together to sort this out. There must be some people in high places complicit in the racket for it to continue.

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[ posted by D. Hamilton, 29.07.12 20:31 ]

Sheer greed! And some people suggest it is immoral to pay tradesmen in cash! To set an oil price because there might be difficulties in the future is the creed of the of the monopoly magnate who has no competition to keep prices at a fair level that don't exploit the pockets of the mass of motorists. It is just a baseless rationalisation to salve their consciences (if they have one) in lining their pockets at the expense of the poplace. They they have done this for so long togther ("It must be all right because we are all doing it!") that they do not percive anything wrong in doing so, and have absolutely no conscience about their actions. They have as little sense of morality and concern for their fellow beings as many who are behind bars. This is the attitude of the unchallenged dictator - and not many of them survive in the long run.

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[ posted by Martin Rosen, 29.07.12 20:34 ]

Notice the price of petrol is gradually creeping up again. Surely there can't be losing profits?

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[ posted by Chris Stone, 29.07.12 20:36 ]

My understanding is that a 'well known' investment bank has bought up ship loads of oil in the past and then parked them out at sea in order to manipulate oil prices - upwards of course!

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[ posted by Martin Rosen, 29.07.12 20:36 ]

@Pam did the previous Government help the motorist? What would you change the Government to?

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[ posted by tony davies, 29.07.12 20:36 ]

why does the uk government have all these Quangos supposedly looking after Citizens welfare?Oil is an essential commodity to every nation in the world so they aren`t going to get any change from the suppliers.As for traders being able to buy up supplies and then make a bomb selling it on,how can they be stopped?The oil producers are interested in the bottom line and hold the whip hand.If you`ve the money they will sell the oil to you.The uk government is only adding to this ursury by inflicting the stifling taxes on a reeling working class population.Those who can afford to pay without feeling the pinch,have no reason to feel kept down,so they keep quiet.Carry on the Campaign!

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[ posted by Claud, 29.07.12 20:42 ]

I've been following, and signed the petition for lower fuel prices for several months now. But I'm at the point where I can't keep my silence over this site which as someone in the field of psychology, can only describe it as non proactive whinging. You sound like politicians! Pointing fingers, looking for conspiracies and not getting to the root of the problem. Instead of banging on about the prices which we as a nation are fully aware of, how about pointing out to the government statistics showing how vital fuel at lowers prices is for our country and as a way out of this recession. Its not rocket science, lower petrol, equals lower operating costs for businesses, which in turn will boost turnover, more employees, who will use cars for transportation to the new jobs, equals more revenue for the government but also lowers levels of depression, because people will regain their worth, which obviously has a knock on effect in huge savings in pharmaceuticals, admissions and appointments. So instead of the whinging develop a report highlighting these points including figures and present that, it's fool proof and to me It's a simple solution. I welcome criticism to my theory.

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[ posted by Mark Evans, 29.07.12 20:44 ]

Surprised? Not really.
Extent of price fixing? I don't think we will ever know the truth.
Do our Governmental representatives have any say? Without a doubt. Without the high oil prices the tax they earn would be considerably less and hence why they are slow and unwilling tks act.

Unfortunatley we are whitnessing the decline of fuel supplies and the profitearing of the few at the cost of us all.

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[ posted by admin, 29.07.12 20:46 ]

We have developed a report. Please go to http://fairfueluk.com/cebr.html. You have not followed the campaign close enough. What you suggest has been at the core of the FFUK campaign and on the website since its inception. Best regards

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[ posted by george masson, 29.07.12 20:48 ]

I want to say that the speculators of oil are just a crowd of thieves and greedy bastards who dont live in the real world of people trying to survive If I could be a spectulator and could buy oil I would sell at the lowest rate possible without profit to kill them at their own game dont mind people selling to make a slight profit but selling to starve the world is just as I said thieving and greed and should be accountable to the rest of us

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[ posted by Kev Hamlinton, 29.07.12 20:51 ]

Just wanted to say-Many thanks to not only you quinten but all the gang bending over backwards to bring down the obvious price of petrol that a huge percentage of us have to face on a daily basis and to which i`m a avid fan of and have been from day one.
It`s just crazy how people are manipulating and gaining from us working class..It`s bad enough the goverment find`s it through it`s wisdom to tax the hell out of us through this fuel but,It also appears it`s being manipulated from various directions also.

Anyway a BIG THANK YOU TO ALL THE GUYS FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS....And successes....

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[ posted by Val Mutch, 29.07.12 20:56 ]

I have very little faith that this or any Government will challenge the oil rich nations in case they upset them. The very last people they will ever consider is us.

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[ posted by Stew Brown, 29.07.12 20:57 ]

So where is all this taking us and what can we actually do about it?

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[ posted by Nick, 29.07.12 21:01 ]

come on people, get real. the big petro-chem companies are corrupt??? really? I'd never have guessed. price fixing? hell, yes. you can't do anything about it. these companies rule the planet, HELLOOO, where have you been for the last God knows how many years??? try getting the entire population of the planet to stop driving their cars, go on, try it. wake up and smell the coffee, it ain't gonna happen. we, as a planet, rely on these companies to fill our tanks. you know it, and you can bet your ass they know it. wanna stop driving your car as a protest? go ahead, they don't care. wanna stop the whole country stop using their car for a day, go ahead, they don't care. wanna make a real difference and stop the entire planet driving their cars for a year? well, good luck with that. you WILL drive your car, and you WILL pay whatever THEY say, because you are their bitch. the planet is screwed, take a look around. we are all just along for the ride until the shit hits the fan, and it's not a question of 'if' but 'when'. hopefully, i'll be dead and buried by then, but believe me people, it's gonna get ugly one day.

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[ posted by Allan Lweighton, 29.07.12 21:03 ]

Just a point that does't get a mention. Where do all or most of the worlds plastic products come from ? oil pricws effect the price of them alsoj

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[ posted by Nick, 29.07.12 21:05 ]

come on people, get real. the big petro-chem companies are corrupt??? really? I'd never have guessed. price fixing? hell, yes. you can't do anything about it. these companies rule the planet, HELLOOO, where have you been for the last God knows how many years??? try getting the entire population of the planet to stop driving their cars, go on, try it. wake up and smell the coffee, it ain't gonna happen. we, as a planet, rely on these companies to fill our tanks. you know it, and you can bet your ass they know it. wanna stop driving your car as a protest? go ahead, they don't care. wanna stop the whole country stop using their car for a day, go ahead, they don't care. wanna make a real difference and stop the entire planet driving their cars for a year? well, good luck with that. you WILL drive your car, and you WILL pay whatever THEY say, because you are their bitch. the planet is screwed, take a look around. we are all just along for the ride until the shit hits the fan, and it's not a question of 'if' but 'when'. hopefully, i'll be dead and buried by then, but believe me people, it's gonna get ugly one day.

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[ posted by Derek Frost, 29.07.12 21:06 ]

Do you think that a government is likely to intervene when for every gallon of fuel sold they are going to get two bites of the cherry in tax; i.e. fuel duty and vat, I don't think so.

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[ posted by Graham, 29.07.12 21:06 ]

We have to get rid of this government and the Liebor party too, they are all one and the same, they all come from the Bullingdon Boys club. I say that if you are a millionaire, you shouldn't be allowed to run for any party as you are unfit to judge what working class people have to put up with. I also say that we should get rid of royalty and sell off their/our assets to get us out of this shit mess we are in. I also say 'why do we borrow money from the likes of the federal reserve in the US' when we have to pay it back with interest, just print our own money, every country in the world has the right to do this. That is why we have just taken out Ghadaffi and Saddam Hussein, because neither of them would kow tow to the banksters and both of them were printing their own money. Libya WAS one of the richest countries in the world until we bombed it, with NO debt at all. Don't let them tell you it was because we cared about a few people who Ghadaffi was supposedly murdering, bullshit, same thing with Syria and very soon if they get their way we will be at war with Iran for the same reasons too. We have to learn to use the internet properly, for just this kind of action.

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[ posted by Penny, 29.07.12 21:08 ]

I ams struggling so much and need oil ,but cant afford it i have gone from working in 2009 to 3 years unemployed and selling everything I can to make ends meet . I dont have much else to sell , I put 27 years into the system and get no help .
The big chiefs get richer and people like me who have had breast cancer and made redundant in 2009 havent got much else to give ,
Work use to be stressful but having no money is much worse

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[ posted by Mr D C Noke, 29.07.12 21:09 ]

Some years ago it was found that the cement companies were operating a cartel, seems to me that the Oil producers are doing the same.
It is also clear that speculators have caused a good many of the problems, but it also appears to me that prices are being fixed by 'Gentlemans agreement. In a proper competitive world, we should see the oil companies scapping for business, by being competitive on price. It is all very well blaming government and I would be less than honest if I didn't curse them for taxation, however although I am not a supporter of the current incumbents, we can blame the last mob in power, who were hoodwinked by the 'green society' and persuaded we could save the planet by increasing fuel tax.
I am in agreement with the views of the FairFuel UK objective of also cutting tax and getting an inquiry into the industry.
If we were all to stop using our cars tomorrow, our whole ecomomy would collapse, but try telling that to our 'Green friends'. Like it or not we need the motor car for all sorts of reasons and therefore need an enquiry into the activities of the 'Oil industry'

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[ posted by Tony Gallagher, 29.07.12 21:09 ]

All very well critisising the oil companies but the biggest chunk of the price is tax. In the current grim economical climate the government could easily reduce the price. They do need to raise as much money as they can through tax but it always seems to be the motorist that gets hit in the pocket.

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[ posted by Peter Humphreys, 29.07.12 21:11 ]

As a retired person living off my pension it is important for my continued life style for you and everyone else to keep on fighting.. we have got to win.. there is no other choice ... thank you for all you hard work.

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[ posted by Steve Dyble, 29.07.12 21:12 ]

Obviously the governments have no intention of trying to reduce oil prices.
The higher the price of fuel the more they rake in themselves with VAT, so why rock the boat and make enemies of the oil companies!
Of course it's not fair on the country as a whole, whether you be a business struggling to stay afloat, or a worker trying to keep your job and support your family.
It's also not fair on the emergency services, who must include fuel costs for their vehicles in their budgets, so they end up reducing staff and services in order to keep any vehicles on the road and provide an emergency service at all!
In these dark days of recession, how ridiculous is it for any government to complain that everything not privatized costs too much and that the police, fire and ambulance services need to cut costs, while their own 20% VAT on fuel is the cause of some of the high costs to those services in the first place?
In the UK 2/3 rd's of the cost of fuel is tax, so while I understand the blatant profiteering going on by oil producers which needs to be controlled, along with the rampant electric and gas prices which are also out of control, successive govts profiteering on all fuel is much worse!
How can we really expect any government body to work against their own personal interests of raising revenue?
The days of honest politicians actually working to improve the standards of living of it's country's population are long gone, so to expect them to actually take on the oil companies in any meaningful way is the biggest pipe dream of all!
Keep up the great work Fair Fuel UK team because lets face it, when the brown and smelly hits the fan we are all on our own to deal with it, while ministers hide in their air conditioned bunkers!

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[ posted by john charlton, 29.07.12 21:12 ]

If it was the ordinary man in the street setting fuel prices he would be jailed,but show me any member of any goverments that have been no i dont think so its us the working class people that have to pay for all their corruption.

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[ posted by Ray Hunt-Terry, 29.07.12 21:15 ]

I`m not surprised at all by this article , I have always thought that we are constantly being ripped off by the oil companies / oil traders and the Government who KNOW only too well BUT obviously would not show any interest in fronting the oil companies as the Government make a mint out of taxation , excise duty AND Vat !!!
The only way to best these thieving toe rags is stop buying petrol/diesel or finance a top draw Brief and get him to challenge the oil companies / Government on our behalf , I for one would be more than happy to help pay his fees to dig up the dirt on the corrupt practice of the price of oil !!!

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[ posted by Mike Brooks, 29.07.12 21:19 ]

Before I start, I would like to tell you that I am a member of the FairFuelUK Campaign. I have lobbied my MP (I had a private interview with him last year) and have been in communication with him on and off ever since. But I also work in the oil industry. The pricing of oil and its products is extremely complex and I don't for one minute say I understand it. But I suspect it is the commodity dealers and speculators who are doing the most damage to pricing. It is also worth noting that the cost of producing a barrel of oil varies widely depending on where it is. For instance, it is much, much cheaper to produce in the deserts of the middle east than it is from under the North Sea. If prices were based on the cheapest costs, there would be no North Sea oil (or at least no further investment in the North Sea).

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[ posted by PETER jACK, 29.07.12 21:20 ]

ABOUT EIGHTEEN MONTHS AGO YOU COULD SE TANKERS PARKED JUST OFF THE COAST OF DEVON, IN THE ENGLISH CHANNEL, WAITING FOR THE PRICE OF OIL TO RISE. THERE IS NO CHANCE OF THIS ROTTEN GOVERNMENT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THE PRICE FIXING THAT GOES ON, JUST LOOK AT THE BANKERS, WE KNOW THAT NONE OF THEM WILL GO TO JAIL NOR WILL ANY OF THE NEWS INTERNATIONAL LOT. THE ROT AND THE GREED IS THERE AND IT IS TIME THE PUBLIC WOKE UP AND STOPPED USING THEIR USUAL CATCH PHRASE `WELL WHAT WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT`. GET OUT OF YOUR COCOONS AND MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD

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[ posted by Keith Wylde, 29.07.12 21:24 ]

It is true that speculators make a few pennies (OK Millions ), however the large fuel companies are not averse to making the odd few pennies (Ok Millions ), when they know people HAVE to buy fuel, or stay at home. Each year towards the end of July prices begin to creep, and always upward. Or is it just a coincidence when you consider people have spent their hard earned noney booking holidays, and just how are they to go to these destinations. By Car mainly, so lets put up the price by a few pence to make some more profit. Thanks to the Fair Fuel Campaign the price will not rocket, and you can call me cynical, but it would have been 3p in the budget, plus another 2p or 3p from ther fuel companies OR COULD I HAVE IT ALL WRONG Lets see what late September brings

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[ posted by Mary Houghton, 29.07.12 21:24 ]

This only confirms what I have always suspected that the oil prices are manipulated. On top of that this greedy government keep trying to increase the tax on fuel. Its about time pump prices came down. My late husband told me it was cheaper to produce diesel as it doesnt have to be refined so much. I remember when it used to be the cheaper fuel. Why have they gradually increased the price of diesel so that it is now more expensive than petrol? Corruption all away along the line and it needs sorting out right from the top, the oil producers down through to the governments around the world. It has got to stop and stop now!!!

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[ posted by Steve Dyble, 29.07.12 21:25 ]

Obviously the governments have no intention of trying to reduce oil prices.
The higher the price of fuel the more they rake in themselves with VAT, so why rock the boat and make enemies of the oil companies!
Of course it's not fair on the country as a whole, whether you be a business struggling to stay afloat, or a worker trying to keep your job and support your family.
It's also not fair on the emergency services, who must include fuel costs for their vehicles in their budgets, so they end up reducing staff and services in order to keep any vehicles on the road and provide an emergency service at all!
In these dark days of recession, how ridiculous is it for any government to complain that everything not privatized costs too much and that the police, fire and ambulance services need to cut costs, while their own 20% VAT on fuel is the cause of some of the high costs to those services in the first place?
In the UK 2/3 rd's of the cost of fuel is tax, so while I understand the blatant profiteering going on by oil producers which needs to be controlled, along with the rampant electric and gas prices which are also out of control, successive govts profiteering on all fuel is much worse!
How can we really expect any government body to work against their own personal interests of raising revenue?
The days of honest politicians actually working to improve the standards of living of it's country's population are long gone, so to expect them to actually take on the oil companies in any meaningful way is the biggest pipe dream of all!
Keep up the great work Fair Fuel UK team because lets face it, when the brown and smelly hits the fan we are all on our own to deal with it, while ministers hide in their air conditioned bunkers!

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[ posted by Peter Humphreys, 29.07.12 21:27 ]

Keep up the good work, you have my full support.

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[ posted by John Powell, 29.07.12 21:28 ]

perhaps if someone like quentin should stand as a candidate in a parlimentary seat as an independant with a fairfuel policy on the agenda.
maybe voters can then have a say, and get things moving.
why is vat added to the price of fuel after the duty has been added? we then pay tax on the tax.
vat should only be added to the initial price before duty!!!

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[ posted by Kevin Foord, 29.07.12 21:28 ]

J R Ewing springs to mind , its gone on for years and will continue to do so , you try and break one monopoly , another one will take its place . The greed for money is the route of all evil , indeed GREED is the ultimate sin . The rich will get richer and the poor will suffer and that does'nt just apply to oil !!.

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[ posted by Arthur Graham, 29.07.12 21:30 ]

I totally agree with all that has been said about the possibility of oil price rigging, and would fully support any campaign to have it exposed. I wonder if the Government is really serious about having any enquiry into this scandal since the end result could mean a big loss of revenue to the exchequer. As for this Government, well I don't think they are any different from previous ones, and indeed I suspect future ones, as they all have the ability to treat the electorate with the utmost contempt. Or to be a bit more blunt about them, they treat us like mushrooms, keep us in the dark and feed us ch

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[ posted by ian thomas, 29.07.12 21:31 ]

One answer to all the questions being raised on this blog, The Illuminati, fronted by the Bilderburger group. They own all the major banks in the world and have the power and the money to manipulate not only the oil industry but everything in the commodity market. They also manipulate governments, high profile financiers, royalty. Wars are also very good for business especially if the countries involved have the natural resources like oil, the value of which can be manipulated on the stock market, which they control by the amount of lending and interest charged on the money that is used to buy and sell stocks. Don't forget the futures market, money is needed to speculate on basically something that doesn't exist or hasn't happened yet! The whole of big business and the political system is corrupt and rotten to the core, they are all lining their pockets at the expense of your average joe wife and 2.5% children. Unfortunately your average joe has absolutely no clout and knows it and is totally apathetic as to what is happening, the feeling of helplessness is so endemic that nothing will change unless the supply of oil ceases, the Illuminati will not let that happen so will continue to manipulate markets. I cannot see any end to this no matter how many people complain, barring total anarchic revolution worldwide.

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[ posted by Jerry, 29.07.12 21:35 ]

We have been taken for a ride for years but we just put up with it as we put up with all the other rubbish that goes on. It is called apathy. I have seen e mails before suggesting that we all fill up at any gas station but BP for a week. Now if we did that we could show the power that we do have as consumers. Do we do it, no! Why not? Because we do not care enough. We onlt have ourselves to blame!!??

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[ posted by Fred Whittaker, 29.07.12 21:38 ]

Unfortunately, in most countries governments are in the pockets of big business, whatever party is in power. No longer do large companies aim to make a fair percentage profit on their products, but extract "whatever the market will pay" in an effort to maximise their investment returns. FairFuelUK is probably as aware of this as most, but is FIGHTING TO REDRESS THE IMBALANCE IN FUEL DUTY between us and our continental "partners" in the EC, who have an unfair trading advantage as a result. World oil prices and their manipulation by the oil producers, is an international problem which needs tackling by international co-operation.

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[ posted by Adrian hook, 29.07.12 21:43 ]

The fact is the oil is kept at a high price to keep all of us in a state of panic and control.if oil were cheap(or at the price is should be) then we would all be out and about enjoying our selves with no worries about filling up the car.now we only think about getting to work and back and driving for pleasure becomes a rarity.they want us working until we drop dead ,christ they even tax us for dying !!!!!!!! The whole thing is just run by complete and utter scumbags.

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[ posted by ron kendall, 29.07.12 21:50 ]

Supertankers often drift about at sea ,instead of unloadingit. this is to make thousands of £s more due to speculators playing the markets. some used to anchor in the channel for weeks on end, until the price increased, then they would go to Rotterdam and unload. absolutely disgusting, but legal of course!meanwhile we all pay through the nose

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[ posted by Simon Porch, 29.07.12 21:50 ]

I think it's scandalous that as soon as the global price of oil is reduced, the petrol companies don't reduce prices, but are so quick to increase prices at the pump when the global price increases.

The price rises have gone unchecked for too long & I will support any campaign that helps to reduce these prices.

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[ posted by Cyril, 29.07.12 22:00 ]

Thank hevens we have a voice in airing are feelings with the support of your site,greed by the allready rich as gone on for far too long and I feel it's about time it was stopped.This won't happen with Cammeron's goverment as I feel they are implicated as much as anybody the higher the price the more tax they can extort.

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[ posted by Jim Spiller, 29.07.12 22:00 ]

A point not often mentioned is that the price of diesel in the UK, uniquely in Europe, is more expensive than petrol. It is a cruder fuel than petrol and cheaper to produce. I believe that it is no coincidence that the price difference has increased as of diesel car ownership increases and the oil producers attempt to maintain or increase their profit We are told that the higher cost is due to a shortage of production facilities in the UK. It would cost no more to ship in diesel than it would raw oil.
Stick this on the expanding list of fuel related rip-offs !

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[ posted by Suzy, 29.07.12 22:01 ]

I now spend 20% of my salary on petrol, (it was 21% and will probably go back to that with the price at the pumps creeping up again) and other than going to work I barely go anywhere else! I live in a rural area and public transport isn't an option, neither is getting a job nearer home at the moment! Can FFC collect more real-life stories to send to the government? I tried to tell my MP, Alan Duncan, as I sent the emails you gave us, but he wasn't interested, I think he lives on another planet (well, he's rich enough to!). I really wish people would listen, why is there so much apathy, have people just given up? While you keep fighting, i'll keep supporting you. Just a thought, can you campaign for all MPs to be forced to live off the average national wage?

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[ posted by HEATHER SPILLER, 29.07.12 22:03 ]

A point not often mentioned is that the price of diesel in the UK, uniquely in Europe, is more expensive than petrol. It is a cruder fuel than petrol and cheaper to produce. I believe that it is no coincidence that the price difference has increased as of diesel car ownership increases and the oil producers attempt to maintain or increase their profit We are told that the higher cost is due to a shortage of production facilities in the UK. It would cost no more to ship in diesel than it would raw oil.
Add this issue to all the other UK Big Biz Ripoffs.

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[ posted by Mr.SA.RBell, 29.07.12 22:09 ]

I would first of all like to say,I believe Mr.Kev Hamlintons needle has got stuck.Sorry could not resist.
O.K the only way I can see any results for the public,is for us all to buy from one company.And I recommend
SHELL,my reason in most,that was most not all places it is CHEAPER,CLEANER and over the last 10 years has
given us at least another 2 miles to the gallon more.We do not change the petrol filter as often,(have you seen
the price of those lately ).Also it does clean the jets out more.Now we have recommended Shell to a lot of people,
they not wanting to believe me tried it and found exactly the same as us. (with some inflated figures )but if they
like it then that is what they will do.So if we want the price to come down,we need to hit the other big company
and I AM SURE WE ALL KNOW WHO THAT IS.Talk about green.!!!! Thank you for your time.

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[ posted by Michael Ferguson, 29.07.12 22:12 ]

There are 45 Million registered voters here in the UK.

There are 38 Million registered motorists here in the UK ,we are being targeted as a revenue collecting device for the government.

Look at those figures and note what a powerful force we motorists actually can be..

Go figure....

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[ posted by John mountain, 29.07.12 22:21 ]

Like every thing else this government big blow of wind and that's it. No action, it's the oil people, let them do what they want, and we will take what we want from the working class and the old age pensioners iam 75 years old and it's the same old story let the weak dip into their pockets, wish I could help you guys better but the age stops me, like k hamlinton said A BiG THANKS TO YOU ALL, keep up the good work

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[ posted by Eric, 29.07.12 22:25 ]

Its the same with every fuel in the UK...Always seems to go up instantly and drops in price at a much slower rate. Along with Gas, Electric and Water. We have to pay through the nose with massive Taxes on our Fuel. Its the lifeblood of this Country. Cheaper Fuel would mean cheaper Goods on our shelves, cheaper goods mean people would be more inclined to spend. This would go a long way to help us out of this recession. Why is it in this Country we allow the chosen few to dictate the price of fuel then take the lions share of massive profits, while the rest have to pay?

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[ posted by stuart cooper, 29.07.12 22:26 ]

excellent job done so far, getting the proposed 3p rise delayed... but it is creeping up in price again up 2p in the last week.. WHY? keep up the pressure everyone until a fair price is acheived..

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[ posted by Claud, 29.07.12 22:40 ]

Dear admin, I have in fact read the report, it does not go far enough. Cinema spending will go up! Not a strong argument for a tax cut is it. What about breakdowns for savings for the nhs, dwp? etc? I could find no reference to those. I look forward to your response.

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[ posted by Michelle Raisbeck, 29.07.12 23:08 ]

To all at Farifuel Campaign... Keep up the good work. I read your e-mails and do my bit to support you because it peeves me off how we are constantly ripped off, just trying to go to work and live a normal life however that gets harder to do every day. I've had my 206GTi for 9 of its 10 years, and can only afford the £120.00 a month I already have to spend on petrol - just to get to work. Cannot afford to take leisurely drives anymore or trips to the seaside. And they say holiday here in Britain!!! This is another reason why its cheaper to go abroad!!!!! Another reason we don't spend our money at home.....

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[ posted by kat speirs, 29.07.12 23:10 ]

It's always the same, high enough up the food chain and life and money are putty in your hands, the rest of us mere mortals have to pay for them and their ludacrous and unnecessary lifestyles.....and it's still not enough. We're always asking the government to help their people, and they never do. They follow their own agenda, they go for the policies and rules that further themselves, they talk the talk, but they NEVER walk the walk. Unfortunately politics has become about self gain & self promotion and is no longer about fighting for the ordinary people. I will do all I can to help battle the oil prices scandal, but I don't feel hopeful. Thanks fairfuel UK for helping us come together to fight to be heard.

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[ posted by Philip halpin, 29.07.12 23:19 ]

Re: above post how many times do you want to says thanks LOL.


Any how, I find it hard to believe that anybody shocked by this after all, things like this have been going on for years in all manner of subjects, how do you think the rich get rich, through hard work????????, no thats left to the rest of us, you know a honest days work for a honest days pay, well not anymore, now a days, it a honest days work for just enough to survive, unless your rich, then it a corrupt days you for a forture.

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[ posted by Blanche, 29.07.12 23:30 ]

I hope admin will recognize that Kev Hamilton has posted the same remarks 44 times consecutively.
Regarding the cost of energy for cars and homes, The fuel is going to be finite according to the various doom-sayers, and presumably that is why successive governments want to collect as much tax as they can before it runs out. Perhaps we will all be back to ox-carts or horse drawn vehicles in the future. Remember when we had milk delivered by horse and cart if you are old enough? The last war is long ago, but we managed in those days and we will again if we have to - but the rich folk will have a lot of difficulty when they cant order folk around as much - things do not stay the same for ever and we will adapt - steam power might come back for use in cars - or hydrogen fuel made from water. We will survive without the diesel or petrol -and I am a real petrol-head. However time to write to all our MPs and send them emails to fill their in-boxes until they listen to us. Also - write to the MEPs - they get enough money from UK - time they earned it - and complain the the EU commissioners too - in their gravy-train situations.

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[ posted by adrian king, 30.07.12 00:02 ]

clearly the oil giants are price rigging and up to no good and off course are lovely goverment with over the top tax on fuel. its really simple but not for this goverment put fuel prices down and the economy picks up fact. more jobs cheaper products and the people would be better off all they think of is tax tax tax

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[ posted by JP, 30.07.12 00:57 ]

Honestly I still think the biggest need is to push for lower fuel duty and an end to the punishment of the motorist by successive governments. I also believe that a stronger stance is needed than just lobbying and complaining, perhaps blockades again.

The oil market has always been manipulated in some form, normally in a fairly simple way -

When the price of oil goes down, OPEC countries produce less of it until the price goes up again. It's a manipulated form of supply and demand. Given various governments make decent taxes from the profits of these various complanies, I do not see that it would be in their interest to intervene.

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[ posted by Steve Hewitt, 30.07.12 01:48 ]

Just thought I would make a point that I'm sure can't have gone unnoticed amongst many in FairFuelUK community. But just in case, has anyone noticed that since the government conceeded to not apply the fuel duty escalator again this August the UK price of unleaded has risen by precisely the 3p/litre which the government planned. To my knowledge there have been no shortages of supply caused by either war, natural disaster or production issues in any of the oil producing nations, yet remarkably the cost at the pump still manages to increase mirroring UKGOV.plc's aborted figure suggesting to someone who might be as cynical as I, that the profiteering oil companies are exploiting the governments desire to help the people of this fair isle and pocketing the rise ..... exactly as they did last time too!!!
Of course, there isn't much point in complaining to HMC&E as they are more than content to take their stealth windfall in the form of extra VAT revenue from the higher retail price. Let's think about it, 20% of 3p on every litre sold nationally, irrespective of location is still a nice little earner for them all!

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[ posted by Lyn S, 30.07.12 05:55 ]

Yes, thanks to all for your efforts. Part of the problem seems to be that some people are so defeatist. 'We can't do anything'. I forwarded your campaign petition to around 20 people, only 50% signed it. Why does one Tesco charge 5p a litre less than another? They are approx. 7 miles apart? Who actually decides on the prices? Please keep up the good work, especially to reduce the fuel tax further and prevent more rises in duty. Too much of my pension already goes in tax without a second bite from the fuel duty!

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[ posted by ray rooke, 30.07.12 06:41 ]

should target shoppers for this campaign to gain more signatures. delivery charges rise which push the cost of goods up in shops when fuel prices rise, so basically, it effects everyone (well, except shop lifters maybe)

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[ posted by Steph benning, 30.07.12 07:31 ]

Interesting article/post/links. Take heart & remember David & Goliath!

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[ posted by BRIAN ORGAN, 30.07.12 07:37 ]

LIVING IN THE COUNTRY WE NEED OUR CAR,BUT WE ARE HAVING TO USE IT LESS AND LESS {BEING PENSIONERS} BECAUSE OF THE COST. B.M. ORGAN

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[ posted by jim earley, 30.07.12 07:39 ]

the oil market is a monopoly, the oil giants set the price, govenments rub there hands together with glee at price hikes, the oil companies own the very polit we vote for. and as usual the few rule the many. it is a sickening thought that many have to pick between food or fuel to get to work, but that is how many people have to live. all energy companies are the same british gas is in the spot light right now. as the oil companies post there year end accounts all will have made huge profits, way more than the ammount required for future investment. profit is the reason companies survive. in better times no one cared, it didnt matter, there was some spare cash in the house hold budget to cover the increase, that cash is no longer present for the vast majority of homes.
the only way to counter this is to name and shame all who are involved in the price fixing, the daily papers do a great job on such things.
use the power of the press to shame the robbers and takers involved, there must be a news reporter out there who is sick of taking long distance photos of the famous, one with some balls and a brain, so there is the challange, the giants are dirty some where, some how,
fair means will never stop people such as the giants, get the gloves off and stop being nice press men of the world, if you crack just one of them the rest will think twice .
thanks Quinton, your a true and upright person in a world of greed and selfishness. you will always have my support. thank you.

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[ posted by David Canning, 30.07.12 07:44 ]

56 copies of the above message? Why?
What I have noticed, and the trend was suggested to me when fuel prices dropped around the time we were voting on the Fuel Tax issue, is that now the Fuel Tax has been postponed until next year, prices have crept up to the previous levels. Were they deliberately adjusted to make it less urgent for us to demand lower tax, then when the postponement came, pump prices allowed to go up again? This would effectively reduce the numbers of our vote due to the complacency of drivers enjoying the lower fuel prices. I know manipulation is a habitual game employed by the elite to keep us in control, so that does seem to indicate that the speculators themselves are puppets to some extent.

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[ posted by RayW, 30.07.12 08:03 ]

Most of the Hedge Funds are funded by the Banks and it is these very greedy bankers that are driving up the price of Crude Oil by buying and selling a boat load of Oil to each other many times over, whilst the boat is on the high seas. Clearly the last buyers are the refineries and it is us, the consumers, that are being forced to pay for the profits being made by the hedge funds (Banks). They must be stopped but it is unlikely that Governments will stop them as they make their massive and unacceptable percentages on the price from the refinery and the higher that price is, the more they make. The only way to combat these modern day robbers is to boycott fuel purchases at the pumps.

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[ posted by CLIFF BOULTON, 30.07.12 08:05 ]

I AGREE diesel should be cheaper than petrol.
I AGREE we're allgetting conned left, right and centre
I AGREE the Government takes too much in Tax, VAT etc etc. BUT...
I KNOW it's not just THIS Government that took the taxes. They're all at it. It's a great earner, like the tax on cigarettes. Keep adding it on, the "Mugs" will pay. No-matter which party gets in, they soon catch on and realise they can't manage the country WITHOUT the fuel taxes. There's just too much to lose.
Why isn't more money poured into developing other fuels? Because the government would lose the present tax income if something really feasible came out of it. However, they would soon institute a NEW tax to cover it.
"Cars running on Chicken S--t, we'll have to tax that!!"
How many times have we read things in the papers, electric cars that do about 40-50 miles, cars running on Cooking Oil, the aforesaid Chicken S--t They had steam cars years ago. Why isn't more money used to develop these things and then maybe we can say "Bye-Bye OPEC" one day.
Unfortunately, I know I won't be around.
Cynical old B----r!!!!

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[ posted by Ron Green, 30.07.12 08:17 ]

The comment of getting the present government OUT, never works!! We only put in the OTHER CORRUPT Party. IN Again!!
If there is a Fair fuel member at the next election, how many will know about it... 20,000 plus? & maybe vote for Him /Her.
The other option now it is a 1 -2 - 3 voting system, is to Try & tell everyone in the UK to Vote for the WORST Delegates on the voting paper and by Alphabetical order....NOT The main Parties. { love to see them all standing for a Binmens job at the dole }..won't that hopefully kick out the Labou,r Tory, Lib dem, SNP, MAFIA Hold on this country..
...Just A THought, Girls & Guys.

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[ posted by Richard Porter, 30.07.12 08:18 ]

I do not hold the oil companies to blame, pre tax petrol is much the same price Worldwide. However, it's the tax that is the killer here. I have just returned from one of my regular Australian trips, spent a couple of months there, and the average price of petrol is around 75p a litre.

I rented a Toyota Corolla and with the gauge almost on empty it cost me £37 to brim fill it!!! I had seen it cheaper but not where I was when I needed to fil up.

Instead of spending £9 billion that we haven't got on the Olympics maybe they could have reduced the tax on fuel, after all, whether we drive or not, it is a cost that we all have to pay as it affects the price of everything that we buy.

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[ posted by colin campbell, 30.07.12 08:36 ]

All essentials should be nationalised including all fuel types, telephones broadfcasting. It is essential even in time of "peace" that control of the country's destiny stops the speculators. The buying of all essentials should be restricted to providers only not those after a quick buck (who dont need it anyway) While we are on this subject how about stopping the sel-it-to yourselfers like GAS that launder the price through many self-owned distributors before it gets to the market. It is all down to law and order and the bigger it gets (the EU) the smaller the law and trhe bigger the pickings Colin

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[ posted by Terence Grass, 30.07.12 08:37 ]

I as millions of other people are fed up of being ripped off by these self centred Companies.
If it is not the Bankers then it is the Fuel providers,the Governments are being blackmailed by these people by threats to pull out of the country.Wake up they are already doing it ,The profits these companies make from robbing us is worse than highway robbery.
The technology is already out there to reduce the need for these fuels but it is being kept undercover by these people and Governments.
I think you call it double standards ,we cannot just stop using fuel so they know we can do nothing but complain,they shut us up by giving us a penny then taking 2 back 3 months later.
WHAT IS THE SOLUTION ?????????????????I Wish i knew.Thanks to the fuel campaign someone is trying.

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[ posted by Dennis Butcher, 30.07.12 08:50 ]

I'm old enough to remember back to the 50s & 60s when diesel was only normally found in commercial vehicles. However then it was about HALF THE PRICE of petrol (which in late 50s I can remember being 4shillings & 11pence per gallon = 24.5pence to-day).
I have never wondered why it became more expensive than petrol, as logic tells me that as it became much more popular then the people who controlled it, they saw their opprtunity to make big and I mean BIG profits.
When buying a vehicle to-day and looking at running costs you have to calculate whether a pertol driven one is cheaper to run than a diesel. The diesel should always win, IF they didn't manipulate the prices !
I'm behind the movement to get some sanity into this, but remember, once this is sorted we'll find other things which the moguls are ripping us off at.

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[ posted by Tony Waldron, 30.07.12 09:14 ]

we seem to be forgetting that the price of our petrol is mainly tax

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[ posted by carol murden, 30.07.12 09:16 ]

on behalf of all oap's please keep up the good work. fortunately at the moment we have the free bus passes, ( but for how long) which help out for us. if we didn't have the passes we could not afford the fuel prices to get out and about.

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[ posted by John Allison, 30.07.12 09:30 ]

Somewhere above CLAUD has written a piece which I thoroughly agree with. The Government gave us a miniscule reduction in Fule Prices at the pumps, but now you see different prices at pumps within just a mile of each other. I agree with those who say we should tackle the Government about the consistently high fuel prices, but would your local MP do anything to help - they may, but it would take a year or so before it went to Parliament, even if it got a reading.

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[ posted by Richard Green, 30.07.12 09:31 ]

I have said it before on Facebook and yes I am saying it again here.
Am I the only one missing the point. I may be wrong but do MP's work for us or is it the other way round, I don't know and have given up trying to work it out. Where else would an employee be given a job and have it guaranteed for at least four years, nowhere. If you think fuel prices are too high boycotting petrol stations is not the answer nor is protest marches. Write to the person you employ, your MP, reminding him/her that if the fuel price does not come down he/she will be out of a job in four years time if not sooner, then we will see if these publicly minded people really do take note of what the electorate think. If this country is in such dire straits why did we pump billions into that sinking ship known as the Euro Zone and more importantly where did this money come from, our TAXES.
I can understand petrol stations charging different prices as most are franchised but the likes of ASDA a limited company to charge different prices, well that is just greed. i.e price of unleaded at Runcorn ASDA 130.7 per litre, Warrington ASDA 128.9 per
litre, why perlitre

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[ posted by Mavis Gibson, 30.07.12 09:34 ]

Why should we be so reliant on Oil. Shouldn't we be concentrating on an alternative. That will stuff all of them!!!

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[ posted by Glen Rae, 30.07.12 09:34 ]

Dont forget its not just oil and gas prices that are manipulated, electric is as well. Many of the suppliers are simply energy suppliers and that means that if you work out price by kj you probably pay the same all round. And dont pin you hopes on bio fuels as all they are doing is pushing the price of things like wheat up in price, in turn loaf of bread rises and amimal feed stock. Its all down to todays need for higher and higher profit margins and big bonus cultures.

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[ posted by gloria alexander, 30.07.12 09:39 ]

If the uk government wanted to help the people they are supposed to serve they would cut the taxes on fuel substantially. If the price of fuel from foreign countries rises beyond a certain level in keeping with people's pockets then the international funds should be reduced to these countries. Does this government care I don't think so. The world is run by self serving professionals so lets not kid ourselves anything will be done which will not put money in the pockets of the elite throughout the world.

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[ posted by norman duckworth, 30.07.12 09:51 ]

ONCE MORE A CASE OF THE PUPLIC HAVING THE WOOL PULLED
OVER THEIR EYES, TOTALLY HACKED OFF BY THE GOVERNMENTS HIGH TAXES ON FUEL

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[ posted by bernard pendrey, 30.07.12 09:52 ]

To those in government it does not effect them as they get all their transport free

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[ posted by Ken Hodierne, 30.07.12 09:54 ]

It is sad reflection on the way economics has gone in the Western world. In the Western world we are too nice with people, we want everyone to be fair with each other. But, sadly, when you are dealing with people who do not have the same values of fairness and the human nature of greed 'kicks in', then capitalism actually means, "...if people have got money, then take it off them by whatever means.... if you have got the upper hand, and you have got something that the monied people want .... name your price and live like an oil baron....", even western governments, use this mentality, as it is reflected in the taxes.
While we need oil, they have us 'over a barrel' (even if it is a 36 gallon one). Price reduction needs attacking at source as well at taxes, (but while the rising nations demand more and could in themselves soak up all the worlds oil production, attacking at source, could also prove difficult). I am wholly supportive of the work of FairFuelUK, keep up the pressure.

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[ posted by DAve Hurry, 30.07.12 10:00 ]

Please stop multiple posting.

The best advice? Cutback on the time spent behind the wheel or get an electric car. Then you won't care what the oil companies do.

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[ posted by Cyril Ripley Cook., 30.07.12 10:05 ]

I feel you people are doing a wonderful job on relating to us what is going with Oil Price Fixing,BUT I believe you are the people to stand for parliament @ the next general election on a priority issue of Oil & Gas pricing,because 80% of the electerate would vote for you & give you
their support to get in,but you must get a good team of like minded & trusty people to be with you who are NOT GREEDY pigs.I would GLADLY
help with financing & publicity for you,but I am too old to join your team.MY heart would be with you too to TRY to save our country.

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[ posted by Derek King, 30.07.12 10:20 ]

I was in the USA recently and the price of unleaded fuel was $3.20 a GALLON on 18th June and by my departure on 5th July fell to $2.90 a GALLON - WHY?

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[ posted by Barry Mercer, 30.07.12 10:25 ]

A good and useful piece but since our economic system relies on people gambling (at remarkably good odds, often certainties) on the future price of every commodity we need or use, our anger should be aimed at the whole system, not just at this part of it.

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[ posted by ChrisK, 30.07.12 10:28 ]

Our government lives in a strange world where they think reducing our needs for energy is all that’s required to fix things be it more and more insulation in our homes or with cars that can do a 100 miles to the gallon.

Our old 100W light bulbs cost us 2p an hour to run so we changed to the low energy 9W bulbs that cost us so say a fraction of a penny but the thieves put the prices up so now were paying 2p an hour to run our energy efficient bulbs.

The trouble with this idea is the less we use the more we will pay for the little we do use.
As we know we have all cut our fuel use in our homes and in our cars and lorries but as we cut down the energy companies just put up prices to maintain their profits.

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[ posted by Ron B, 30.07.12 10:40 ]

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. We need an alternative energy supply that is not subject to the controls of international oil moguls. Is anyone working on this? Does this sound crazy? It is no more crazy than putting up with the present strangle hold we are all being subjected to.

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[ posted by Alan Tuck, 30.07.12 10:49 ]

Such a lot of venom, such a lot of extremely irate people venting their anger on to a blog and nobody really doing anything about the real problem - that of government non-interference into something that they are making an enormous profit out of.
Of course the government - any government in power - will not rock any boats, they have been earning enormous sums from tax and VAT on fuel, such that they would no longer be able to function without it. Where do you all think the money goes? I certainly don't know and I'm sure neither do the powers that be, it's just added to the coffers to be wasted wherever the people in power consider it's 'needed' - be that propping up some dictatorship or paying for 'perks' for government officials.
We need oil, bottom line. Something the size of Fairfuel will never change the outcome of this situation. It needs a more concerted approach by everyone in the UK - not people with too much time on their hands and not enough work. If we can get this problem across to more and more people throughout the UK, rather than those who 'surf' the web, then maybe we would have some sort of chance. Now, how about Road Tax!

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[ posted by albert, 30.07.12 10:50 ]

I live in West Sussex. I never buy fuel in Sussex.I have purchased all my fuel in Hampshire Surrey or Powys for several years now, as it is always cheaper there. I never buy BP as they are always the most expensive, Shell is usually the cheapest

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[ posted by I Faulds, 30.07.12 10:55 ]

the only real wealthy honest people who to my mind are the loettery winners, that is untill the accountants are let loose,
just think what is manipulated by wealth, everything we eat,drink, clothes, drive, you name it, call this a free world, when its proven what and who can be maipulated,
supply verses demand? rubbish, competition rubbish? who looks after who?
this and any govt looks after themselves no one else period......

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[ posted by Gill Clement, 30.07.12 11:01 ]

Words fail me! For anyone in the fuel industry, its' a win win situation and for the man in the street, it's a lose lose situation. When we apparently won the battle to stop the 3p a litre increase, it now seems that the prices are still going up anyway - how is that?

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[ posted by Peter Blackburn, 30.07.12 11:04 ]

The problem with high Oil prices is that the British Government make more money the higher the Oil companies fiddle with the basic price, simply due to their Fuel Duty, Fuels Tax, Vat and any Green issue taxes are based on the Oil producers output price at the pump head where all us car/van/HGv users are charged when filling up with what really is a strategic need to ensure foods and life neccessitys are able to be delivered to the relevent food and other outlets.

The price of fuel that we the ordinary man in the street pays, will never worry Polititians of any political affliction, for ninety nine persecent of all members of all our political parties in the UK, COULD NOT CARE LESS for they dont pay anything at all,, we pay for them, ..The enternal pisspot will always pay for the political class...so there is no need for them to show any concern, for they never do!

Peter Blackburn
Lancashire Next time I vote it will be for Michael Farrage at least he has a pair of Balls

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[ posted by Brian Morris, 30.07.12 11:28 ]

Typical of Government and Supermarkets, price fixing which is clear by the cost at the pumps and the way it fluctuates, as one person put, with the cost of diesel in comparison to petrol, as soon people started purchasng diesel cars [ which were cheaper to run] they put up the price !!! It is timeMps stood up for us and sorted this mal practice out, instead they are more interested in tradesmen working for cash in hand and catching up with them, SORT OUT THE CORRUPTION IN THE PETROL INDUSTRY AND SUPERMARKETS !!!!!

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[ posted by margaret kelly, 30.07.12 11:29 ]

Shocking, yes, surprising, no. The bankers got away with it for a long time, its all about greed and power. Unfortunately there is not enough of the general public interested enough to do something about it. The young live in an 'all about me' society and when the more mature adults say anything they are seen as old grumps. Unless we all join together and demand answers it will carry on as before.

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[ posted by Lyn Owen, 30.07.12 11:39 ]

I strongly agree that alternatives to oil based fuels is what is needed. I remember reading a few years ago about an engine that had been developed to run on water. The only 'waste' product from it as I recall was oxygen! Where did that technology disappear to? The oil companies wield so much power that anything non-oil seems to disappear into oblivion.

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[ posted by Kathy Everitt, 30.07.12 11:55 ]

The comment made by Claud, on July 29th, about FairFuel only whingeing, rather than presenting the Government with the facts that lowering fuel duty will create more jobs, therefore helping to kickstart the economy, has been posted too late! Fairfuel have already provided the Government with statistics and data illustrating this, which had been researched for them by an expert, independant body. Whether the money grabbing Government will pay much heed is another story. They don't give a damn about Mr. and Mrs. Average on the street, as they swan about in their fuel guzzling cars, never having to worry about what it's costing them to fill their tanks, as it's us mugs who are paying for it! What exactly do they spend their wages on? They appear to be subsidised in most areas of their day to day lives. After being exposed for making 'mistakes' in what they can and cannot claim expenses for and having their knuckles rapped, wouldn't you think they would at least pretend to have the public's interest at heart and do something about this blatant corruption? Of course not because they are all greedy b......s, who sit back and don't give a stuff about us.

What I really fail to understand though, is the total lethargy shown by most UK citizens. I have told many of my friends and family about the FairFuel campaign and not one of them has signed up. Whether you are a car driver or not, the extortionate fuel prices obviously affect everyone (apart from politicians), yet most people are happy to sit back and do absolutely nothing. Where is the backbone and motivation of these idiots? We need a whole country response to get anything done about such a long-standing, important issue but whilst most people are too lazy to lift a finger, what chance do we have? Well done, FairFuel for at least trying to make a difference.

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[ posted by Ian Ritsma, 30.07.12 12:02 ]

Thats a good idea from Ron Green (30/7/12) Lets all vote for the newest on the street and kick out the entrenched polititions. What has hapened to the UK? This used to be a country of high moral standards and fair play. We now seem to have corrupt polititions, bankers, and now the scoundrels in the oil industry. We need more whistle blowers and brave people to stand up to these people. FairfuelUK go get them and name and shame them its disgusting our own leaders are ripping off the very people that put them in power.

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[ posted by Rich Grehan, 30.07.12 12:15 ]

As usual it is make the poorer pay for the rich to stay rich,all these people are the same be it politicians bankers and ogliarchs.They all line thier pockets and when somebody says something about it they just wait till it dies down and then carry on thier merry way.So please dont let it die down.

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[ posted by David Sells, 30.07.12 12:15 ]

Could someone please tell me why with the Olympics on do the oil companies put up prices. The past week hase seen diesel prices go up from 132.9 per litre to 135.9, This is Tesco and Sainsburys who alays have a prrice war. They must thinks that the public are stupid!!

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[ posted by Andrew Breckill, 30.07.12 12:26 ]

This is not news to me, most markets are manipulated in this way, from orange juice through to currencies to oil. What we need is a backbone and some real protests like the french do.

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[ posted by alan barlow, 30.07.12 12:32 ]

last week yet again petrol as gone up a fortnight ago it was £128.9 a ltr. now
£132.9 a ltr , cant not grasp that the price keeps changing so fast,a few years ago the price only change in the budget,what as happened to our oil,keep pushing fair fuel at least you are trying , good luck with your efforts

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[ posted by Andrew EJ Varney, 30.07.12 12:42 ]

No one has said to govern this country is easy but it has to be easier when control are delegates to faceless bodies arranaged to regulate.
It is so shameful and, despite the eurphoria of the Olympics, Good luck wished to all Team GB ( Where went Team UK), the dirty tricks brigade are unrelenting in their greed, manipulations, avoidance and perseverence in ways and means of self gratification.

One might read newspaper comments in the columns of Plattel, Forsyth etc, the comments they make are mostly 100% correct but as the writer Kathy above says it ends up with Goverment getting the statistics and sitting on them.
We have been made strangers in our own land by the the same nasties that are voted in to represent us. Yes totally agreed, We need more bodies like Fair Fuel but with even more numbers and clout but where do we go??/ Meanwhile Thanks Quenti and crew for all that you do do

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[ posted by Derek Spicer, 30.07.12 12:43 ]

Sadly this comes as no surprise, however the detail of the degree that we are all being penalised/ripped off to further line the pockets of the already obscenely wealthy is still shocking. I applaud the efforts of the Fair Fuel Campaign (which I joined in the early stages) to fight this unjust system, and whilst I agree with those contributors who point out (correctly) that the fuel taxation levels are far too high, the eventual price at the pumps would still fall considerably if the base price which the tax percentages are based on were to be reduced to sensible levels.

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[ posted by Nobby Clark, 30.07.12 12:53 ]

Yes fuel is overpriced and overtaxed, but the UK government is far too reliant on this money to cut the price any time soon.

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[ posted by Jj, 30.07.12 13:00 ]

Why this should come as a surprise or shock to most of you is beyond me. Seriously did you expect these greedy, bullying scum-bags to behave any differently.
Until we the people get up off our backsides and actually do something this will continue.
But people won't, so expect more of the same coming to you soon.

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[ posted by David Britten, 30.07.12 13:17 ]

If you consider the process by which hydrocarbon fuels are extracted from crude, you may conclude, as do I, that these are by-products of the oil refining process. Gases produce at the start of the process are burned off as they have no value, or as in the case of LPG are bottled. Then come fuels that we are being charged a fortune for. The hundreds of heavier materials and chemicals produced later in the process, not least plastics, are often far more important.

If we didn't use petrol and diesel in our vehicles, refineries would have to burn it off, let it evaporate, or give it away. WHAT WOULD OIL COMPANIES AND GOVERNMENT SAY TO US IF THEY REALISED THAT WE UNDERSTOOD WE WERE PAYING FOR A WASTE PRODUCT!

Discuss.

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[ posted by David Britten, 30.07.12 13:21 ]

If you consider the process by which hydrocarbon fuels are extracted from crude, you may conclude, as do I, that these are by-products of the oil refining process. Gases produce at the start of the process are burned off as they have no value, or as in the case of LPG are bottled. Then come fuels that we are being charged a fortune for. The hundreds of heavier materials and chemicals produced later in the process, not least plastics, are often far more important.

If we didn't use petrol and diesel in our vehicles, refineries would have to burn it off, let it evaporate, or give it away. WHAT WOULD OIL COMPANIES AND GOVERNMENT SAY TO US IF THEY REALISED THAT WE UNDERSTOOD WE WERE PAYING FOR A WASTE PRODUCT!

Discuss.

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[ posted by John W Stoker, 30.07.12 13:24 ]

Once again those that are Greedy can not be satisfied, the Bank scandal was bad enough , but now the Oil prices which are an every day LIFE support controling every thing we Eat, Drink and heat, the life blood of the world are being squeezed by the Greedy few.

But what can we do?No one is willing to stop this happening, becuase once again GREED rules the world and all that live in it.

I wonder what would happen if these people and organisations were told that their wealth would be taken from them, no doubt they would hire Mercenaries to fight for them.

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[ posted by Sue Cuthbert, 30.07.12 13:37 ]

It's very clear from reading all these comments that people are very angry about the way oil prices are being manipulated and the negative attitude of government.We are NOT all in it to-gether as stated by David Cameron.I propose that at the next general election,the whole Nation refuses to vote as a vote of no confidence.

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[ posted by Paul Brann, 30.07.12 13:48 ]

Nick is perfectly correct. This is very little to do with the Government, or any government for that matter. Sure, they all have slightly different takes on taxation, but the whole set up has become a huge machine that it will never go back. A few hundred years ago there were only a handful of humans in America; now look at the numbers. BUT look at our gas production and consumption figures since 1970..you can see that, as Nick said, it's not 'if' it's 'when' the chaos happens. The whole world trade thing is corrupt..take milk prices for a current example, and then extrapolate that sort of morality worldwide. And the middle men, the super-marionettes of the well hidden string pullers, will ensure that fortunes are made so that the 'hidden hand' can continue to lend fortunes to the failing economies. Where do you think all this so called 'money' comes from when they say they have 'lent' Greece and now Spain with all the others to follow, sums of money so astronomical that the ordinary man could not even conceive them. Remember the Labour Party was all part of this trap to ensure that we continued to borrow and borrow until the debt became impossible to repay. We are powerless to affect the oil price other than in a very small way, just as we are unable to affect the price of Gold, or silver, Osmium, say, and even wheat or milk. We really are 'the bitch' of just a few very powerful and very evil men and their power is without limit. If you want to live you have to pay the price, or live life in a sleeping bag and grow your own vegetables. I remember the cold winters where a glass of water next to the bed turned to ice over night.....and that was normal for us, the working class family. Thank God we now have insulation. We're doomed and there is no way out. Paul.

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[ posted by Barrie Dixon, 30.07.12 14:05 ]

Yes, the price of fuel anywhere in the developed world is too high (based on the cost of production) and most certainly the taxes on road fuel in the UK is scandalous but there are two things to consider here: If we use more fuel efficient vehicles, the oil companies process less oil and have to increase the price to compensate for falling income and if the Government (of whatever party) were to reduce the taxes significantly, this country would be bankrupt in a very short time, such is the reliance on oil revenue. But one aspect of fuel price always amazes me: Why do the oil companies, like us, complain about the cost of their own product and then announce record profits each season?!

Note to the oil companies: For once, Dear Producer, can you line our pockets instead of your own.

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[ posted by Robert Dickson, 30.07.12 14:52 ]

Why Tax anyway both VAT and Fuel tax its like taxing air you need it to live Put it on something else like lxury goods Diamonds, Ruby's you can live without then , or are they thinking about AIR next, in a way it makes me feel glad to be senior and lived a life but sorry for my Kids and there Kids. By the way with me it ranks way above money and all the riches. Think about it Mr cameron would you like to pay for your AIR????

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[ posted by Michael O'Halloran, 30.07.12 15:09 ]

Not just speculators, Supermarkets are at it too. Tesco charging £1.30 per litre here and 40 miles away it is £1.28 per litre. Asked why, the answer is " It's regional"

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[ posted by Malcolm Vining, 30.07.12 15:15 ]

I agree we need to look at the price of fuel, i believe that it has been fixed for years. Why is diesel so much dearer than petrol when it is cheaper to produce. Why are we paying so much tax on fuel, seems that the goverment want it to send abroad to countries that are worse of than we are allegedly, yes some are but not all that we send monies to.
Can any one explain when oil prices supposedly go up fuel goes up immediately but when they drop it takes months to come back down and then not by as much as the oil has come down.

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[ posted by Ann Other, 30.07.12 15:47 ]

At this moment we speak about the manipulation of the cost of fuel, before that it was corruption among big business/public officials connected with the press, before that it was corruption in the banking system, before that it was corruption among MPs fiddling their expenses or the financial black hole/ gravy train that is the EU, I could go on (and on and on . . . ).
The political system in this country is lost to the population. it is run by those who have, for those who have, with the aim of perpetuating itself. They go to the same schools, colleges and universities, they employ each other, they promote each other onto their boards and committees and make the decisions that affect the lives the rest of us lead. There are now more privately educated/Oxbridge graduates on the cabinets, both government and shadow than ever before and the rest of us keep them going with our taxes and our votes. They turn a blind eye to our protestations over cuts in public services, or frightening levels of immigration because they 'know what they're doing', because they 'know what is good for us better than we do ourselves'.
The realisation about what is happening is I think with all of us but we don't know what we can do about it, so we keep on paying and voting in the forlorn hope that things will change.
It will take a whole new set of people, a whole new party to emerge, to be the voice of the silent majority. When it does, and I have to say when because 'if' is too depressing to contemplate - when it does i think the rise will be stellar. People are waiting for someone to follow, for someone to take up their case and to follow a party which has values and is altruistic in the way that the old politicians who had served their apprenticeships in business and real life used to be before the 'posh, young wide boys took over'.

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[ posted by ken asprey, 30.07.12 16:26 ]

its just another case of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, government's do nothing because their income from the tax on fuel just keeps growing why should they bother about us?

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[ posted by Tony Dunn, 30.07.12 16:44 ]

Surely we should be used to the government robbing the motorist. Even if we get away from petrol and diesel and find alternative fuels the government will still find ways to con us out of our hard earned cash. Why did they invite us to be more eco friendly and more fuel efficient and buy more axpensive diesel cars ? not to save the planet but to stuff us by increasing the price of diesel above the price of less enviromentally friendly petrol. No matter what we do the ********* are out to stuff us. Money will always look after money.
UP THE REVOLUTION!!

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[ posted by John Jordan, 30.07.12 17:27 ]

I am not surprised about the banks and oil companies manipulating the oil prices they are all greedy bastards they just look after themselves and do not bother about the hard working public.

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[ posted by alex brown, 30.07.12 18:20 ]

lets not forget why we are paying to much for fuel the reason is that every government for years keep slapping more tax and dont be fooled that is to save the planet it is to keep the welfare system going so that they can give more money away to people who dont or wont work and a health service that is very badly managed

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[ posted by Jim D, 30.07.12 19:06 ]

Have you noticed that the Gas, Electricity and fuel companies are producing less product but making more profit.

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[ posted by Michael Andrews, 30.07.12 19:14 ]

No chance of any support from our present weak and divided so called Government with a weak leader.

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[ posted by Mick L, 30.07.12 19:58 ]

Perhaps if this country stopped allowing immigration of those with no intention of working, and shoveling our hard earned taxes at countries who do not deserve it, then maybe, we might just get a fair deal for our own people and be able to bring down fuel costs to a level that is affordable by all.

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[ posted by Jim Mc Laughlin, 30.07.12 20:05 ]

yes i agree with all views expressed.But it is all only talk and as long as we keep talking the happier the powers that be will feel.
The time has come for some form of action(led by QUENTIN WILLSON and Co ) We really need to be organised as a group to take this urgent matter forward. As we speak petrol and deisel has started to rise once more it seems to be unrelenting. Quentin Willson and Co must now lead the fair fuel group to physical action eg. a one month boycot of a selected retailer and then move on to another. This is the only way to bring home the point, in their pockets.Iam sure this type of action would get overwhelming support.

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[ posted by Mark O'Reilly, 30.07.12 20:09 ]

The way I see it is that the Government is making too much in revenue from the increased oil prices so are they really going to want to intervene!! Sadly, I don't think so

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[ posted by Steve Harris, 30.07.12 20:59 ]

It's been like this for ages, oil giants control government and it's policies, pharmacuetical giants control government and policies, who are part of the oil cartel, and the Masons probably control all of it. The governments make to much tax on fuel and are probably backhanding the arab countries to keep up prices. They are all in this up to their eyeballs, so far up each others backsides, you cannot tell where one body starts and the other one ends! The GREED of the giants knows no end. 95% of all the worlds wealth is held by the top 5% of people. The wealth should be capped and the surplus distributed among the local natives. So ends poverty. But in this end time before the Millenium, all that is corrupt must surface and show itself, so that it can be killed off. We have not long to wait. I for one wish for an alternative so we can bankrupt the arab countries.

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[ posted by ohn Seymour, 30.07.12 22:16 ]

This does not surprise me, "unto those that hath shall be given" comes to mind. Unfortunately, as long as we have a government whose interest is to keep the price high to get the maximum tax out of a high oil price, instead of changing to a much more equality based system where everybody is taxed according to their means, i.e income tax, we are on a sticky wicket. We must,however press the point loudly in all directions thst the whole oil trading system is basically corrupt and only benefits those "that hath" (my M.P. does not even acknowledge the idea of income tax, even though I have written to him several times as a member of Fair Fuel UK). One day, there just might be a revolution!!!

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[ posted by Andrew Latto, 30.07.12 22:17 ]

Do you realy think that the worlds governments would dare to slap down the wealthy companys that trade like this ?. Remember you pay tax on the price of fuel to the governments at a percentage so they too would loose out on the "profiteering" of the oil and other companys. Every price hike due to "oil prices" gives the governments more money in their pocket. A 1p hike on fuel adds an extra 0.002p per litre to the UKs coffers with a daily consumption of some 26 million litres that is an extra £52,000 per day for the government or £19 million a year. that is on top of the duty paid on fuel of nearly £8 million per DAY or £2920,000,000 per year .

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[ posted by Alan Oliver, 30.07.12 22:21 ]

Like the PPI mis-selling, is there a way to get back at the oil companies for mis-selling? That would cost them a fortune.
Next election you know where to put your vote?

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[ posted by Andrew Latto, 30.07.12 22:24 ]

Do you realy think that the worlds governments would dare to slap down the wealthy companys that trade like this ?. Remember you pay tax on the price of fuel to the governments at a percentage so they too would loose out on the "profiteering" of the oil and other companys. Every price hike due to "oil prices" gives the governments more money in their pocket. A 1p hike on fuel adds an extra 0.002p per litre to the UKs coffers with a daily consumption of some 26 million litres that is an extra £52,000 per day for the government or £19 million a year. that is on top of the duty paid on fuel of nearly £8 million per DAY or £2920,000,000 per year .

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[ posted by anthony kinns, 30.07.12 22:41 ]

Surely if all of the oveseas lorries arriving in the uk with non uk taxed fuel were made to pay our tax at port of entry it would at least adress some of the massive costs to us other uk heavily taxed roadusers for the wear and tear they cause on our roads for us to fund. Not only that but their unfair fuel cost advantage is bankripting our own home based hauliers who cannot compete against these often un monitored, untaxed and uninsured overseas visiting business seeking truckers, threatening all of our hhaulage companies .A small point in comparison to the agender above but it could still be a substantial windfall oportunity for the revenue!!

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[ posted by Anne, 31.07.12 08:50 ]

To previous posters moaning that nobody cares:
OF COURSE THEY DON'T CARE! Shell and others are about to mess up the arctic, therefore the entire globe, in search of further profit. That's what's really scary. Greenpeace need your support in stopping this happening. Please get on their website and proffer support in trying to save the planet from these appalling, self-serving maniacs!

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[ posted by Keith Bullivant, 31.07.12 11:17 ]

Unfortunately the oil industry has always been corrupt and corruption has grown as the developement of oil producing countries has flourished. Many of these countries have a history of corruption by their peoples, governments and companies. Frankley I do not know how the problem can be overcome. But I do think it would help if people 'in the know' would name and shame all those involved, then perhaps we might get some action from our Government, but somehow I have my doubts on the later for they are quite happy to slap on taxes based on percentage ratios; so that the higher the crooked market price the higher the tax revenue they gain. As for the man in the street, what can he do? well for myself I believe in direct action as the one thing Governments understand.

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[ posted by David Stokes, 31.07.12 11:30 ]

What we are seeing in the 21st century today - witnessing the recent exposure of the manipulation of the inter-banking lending rates (LIBOR) - the scandal of the sub-prime markets that caused the 2007-08 global financial crash and now the emerging story of the manipulation of the oil speculators in the commoditities markets, to list just 3 of the many many ways we are being taken for a ride by those that have power in the world - IS OUR OWN FAULT.

WE have slumbered and ignored the alarm bells of light touch regulation, the continued media collusion with this, while watching them reeling under thier own scandle of greed and corruption, and the fact that we've globally allowed successive governments to suppress the growth of material benefits to the masses while they, our elected representitives, have lined their own pockets and colluded with the money markets to operate in way that only benefits the top 5% of all the peoples in the world - at the obvious unacceptable expense of the rest of us.

This obviously couldn't and wouldn't happen if we, the vast majority - the other 95% - woke up from our own selfish materialist dreams and realised the true power of majority rule in this world and took appropriate action, such as the Fair Fuel Campaign, and did something about it.

95% of people acting as one is a massive majority, a tidal wave of opinion that could not be ignored by olligarths, hedge fund managers, media Barons or polititions of any persuasion - so why do we allow ourselves to be so shamelessly manipulated???

What was it Neil Armstrong said when he stepped on to the moon - "this is a small step for man - but a giant step for mankind" -and so is this campaign and may all support it until we get the changes we need!!!

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[ posted by lorraine Penny, 31.07.12 11:31 ]

Its the same old story, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. As people in a democracy we dont do enough to challenge our Government and make ourselves heard. The rich always have the upper hand and are allowed to do as they please without interference.

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[ posted by Derek, 31.07.12 13:02 ]

I don't think I can add a lot to what has already been said. We have said for years now that fuel prices are way too high and need to be controlled far better. To many people higher up are making too much money. Sheer greed. This government fail to do anything to help. While they are in power, they will continue to help those that line their pockets.

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[ posted by Bob Atherton, 31.07.12 14:00 ]

Mmmm.... this government quietly allows this disgraceful manipulation of oil prices which is helping to RUIN the economy for the majority of us.

By default, it is creaming of huge tax revenues (the term CASH IN HAND comes to mind here!), in a poor attempt to pay its way and its rich cronies instead of doing the arithmetic, handling the economy in a proper and honest manner for the equal and fair benefit of us all. IMMORAL, just happens to spring to mind!

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[ posted by Peter Humphreys, 31.07.12 14:32 ]

Not only does the government set a large tax on fuel prices at the pump, but then they also add VAT, which means that we are paying VAT on the tax as well as the original VAT on the original product i.e. the fuel on to THAT TAX, WHICH MEANTAX , WHICH MEANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAXING THE TAX.

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[ posted by Mike, 31.07.12 16:38 ]

The unacceptable face of the capatilist system and the global economy. None of us knows who to trust anymore! Politicians are no longer elected representatives in the true sense, they are all puppets in the hands of mighty gangs of profiteers and financiers. If we take just the example quoted in Quentin's report of $7.27 leap in the price of a barrel of oil overnight, that equates I reckon to at least £27.6 Billion extra revenue per WEEK. Being able to create that sort of additional income overnight is not just down to oil extractor, refiners and shippers alone. It is down to underhand market manipulation. Time the World's population stopped lying down and letting everyone walk over them and time to get up and say "Enough - this has to stop!" As for Anne's multiple simulataneous cotri's (above) I would just advise her that if she will cease to use anything made of plastic, to buy petrol, or by any other means use oil or natural gas in any way, we might listen to her and Greenpeace. How do these eco warriors fuel their ship? Where do they get there energy from? How do they lubricate their bikes and engines? Could we all, honestly, live without oil and our energy consumption in a modewrn world? Some might be able to afford to buy land and become self sufficient but the vast majority live in dense over crowding! If they think that wind generators are a solution - take a look at the Dutch
elecromechanical egineer's report published years ago in which he advised his Government that wind generators are an inefficient means of energy production (and hugely wastefull of other dwindling resources to make, transport and install them). Greenpeace should get behind the International Fusion project!

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[ posted by john hughes, 31.07.12 17:34 ]

Yes fuel prices are rigged by speculators,and are often appreciated by governments,which in turn increases their revenues, they have no shame or feeling for ordinary folk. The present Government are mostly made up of Millionaires have no intention and never will sign up to any form of price control when its their friends and allies in the Markets and business are making vast sums of money, we stand no chance whatsoever,we now need a true government of the people, not a bunch of chancers and wasters that we have at present,and I do agree,Up the revolution,how sad that may be , but ordinary folk really do need help at this time,and not to be hammered with any price fixing or inept Government.

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[ posted by Mike Claughton, 31.07.12 19:25 ]

This is directed to the British Government and British Members of Parliament. The very high price of petrol and diesel, kept unnecessarily high in this country by the policy of successive governments, is a national scandal! You all must know that keeping fuel taxes so high adversely affects the price of everything we buy. So why do most of you do nothing about it? Why also are you seemingly so inept when it comes to exposing the rigging of the international oil price? Instead of your constant bickering and point scoring over trivialities lets see you all uniting to get something done about this very important subject.

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[ posted by victor Charlesworth, 31.07.12 19:36 ]

This above shouldn't really be new news to anyone, as when you think about it the British government I believe are also in on it. They actually benefit from higher fuel costs with the percentage amount of fuel duty also going up as they constantly bang on about barrel prices being high, it's all just an excuse to make more money from fuel duty and why they refuse to really do anything about all this.
This is my reasons as to why I believe everybody within the country, be they private, transport business, road haulage, etc, should actually boycott all petrol forecourts for a day or two and hit them all where it hurts, just as they hit us, in the pockets. Then they should hopefully listen and do something about our prizes.

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[ posted by Mary D, 31.07.12 21:21 ]

We need to take on the oil companies and those others whose greed for money pushes the prices up.....Firstly tho' we need to get this countries government to stop fleecing the citizens of GB with their taxes on fuel it is totally outrageous that they are allowed to put such high tax on fuel....we the general public vote in government we could so easily vote them out, especially the conservatives and their lap dogs the liberals, they are totally ruining this country, forcing smaller hauliers who are trying to make a living to close down. This country will grind to a god almighty holt one day and who will be to blame...THIS GOVERNMENT..... I agree with above writer, we should boycott the petrol forecourts for several days and see what that does......everybody needs to get behing the fairer fuel campaign, there are so few of us voicing an opinion and lobbying our MP's/Government that we are sorry to say a minority, if every person in the British Isles joined up and put all the weight of the country behind us then the government would have to stand up and listen and most of all lower their ridiculous fuel duty and stop taking the general public for muggs!!!!!

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[ posted by Alan Stanley, 31.07.12 21:29 ]

As most fuel is used commercially its another way for our glorious leader to raid our take home pay while talking about reducing income tax.Its common knowledge most of us are worse off than we were 10 years ago.As a previous writer pointed out its posh boys who were taught by posh dads with the cost of higher educashun how do we break the mould???

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[ posted by richi, 01.08.12 01:48 ]

To all of you who are sheep and weak who think this war cannot be won, SO BE IT but make sure you hide in you're houses and don't come out because you might get eaten by wolves!.....I

The whole world is a lie and a scam so either sink or swim, or stand and fight or shut up and die....nuff said!...

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[ posted by lance brittle, 01.08.12 15:06 ]

so the holidays are here and have you noticed that petrol are beging to rise on passing one local garage is charging £1.35 per litre
a rise of 5p from last week where is it going to end

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[ posted by Paul Hailes, 01.08.12 16:06 ]

When will people realise that, in this country as well as others that WE are all being taken for the longest ride ever, and have been for years. Every government that comes to power knows, that we here in the UK are suckers, we hum and har too much instead of taking a leaf out of the FRENCH book of RETALIATION. Perhaps if there was a little give as well as a lot of take, ie pay more for fuel but dont pay road tax, might help. Though the government would probably still whinge because it would not be enough to fill there pockets. My thought would be, dont buy fuel for a few days, use the overpriced transport instead. Then if that works, dont use the overpriced transport. Sounds a bit stupid but hey, never say never.

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[ posted by Mr Paul Irwin, 01.08.12 17:04 ]

How about trying to get every newspaper in the UK to make it front page news so that everyone sees it and not just people with
computers.

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[ posted by Roy Flint, 01.08.12 17:33 ]

Speculators, fuel tax and the good old futures market are the main cost problems. However what does not help is fuel waste by lazy motorists. Fuel should be used wisely. Too many people use their cars when they could walk or catch a bus. Too many people drive too fast using extra fuel. Too many people leave their engines running when it is not neccessary. This puts more money into the pockets of the profiteers and boost the futures markets. So we can all do our bit to keep usage down which will help to drive prices down.

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[ posted by sue, 01.08.12 20:56 ]

Quite frankly it is down to greed - greed of all those of have a hand in the pot of liquid gold. It's disgusting that hardworking individuals have to pay an extorted rate to commute to work, shop, visit hospital, doctors, dentists, aged relatives the list of essential trips is endless - we don't want such a long commute but circumstance dictates it not choice and public transport is not an option - it's almost to the point that we are simply working to pay for fuel!! I would happily get rid of my car if the rural area I live in offered a good, reliable pubic transport system but it doesn't so two cars it is so that we can both get to our jobs in opposite directions to where we live. When is the Government going to stand up, get some balls and fight for the people of Britain - there is much they could do on all fronts but a good place to start would be with the BIG FUEL ISSUE.

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[ posted by Paul Harvey, 01.08.12 22:45 ]

Just get a load of black sticky tape and change the numbers and letters on your number plate, don a balaclava, then go and fill up and don't pay for the fuel. Do this just once a month and you'll save around £60-£70 per month on your fuel costs.

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[ posted by Benn Fox-Simmons, 02.08.12 00:56 ]

The chain of command for this world we all call earth is:
Governments.
Oil companies.
Gas companies.
Electricity companies.
Water companies.
Banking and financial bodies.

As for the rest of us, forget it. We are just numbers that make up statistics. We have no say in how or what is done, all we can do is vote for whom we think may make a better job of lying to us after they have been elected.. For many years now we have been told to use less to protect the environment which in effect has pushed up the price of all fuels. People keep saying if the price of fuel was to go down, then more people would use more of it. And in turn would bring economic growth back to a more equal playing field. Yes that would possibly be true, but then the environmentalists would be screaming at the effects we would be having on the planet. So in reality we are in a no win situation. And as for duty, tax or vat on all fuel will remain as it always has. On a steady incline. The powers that run this world will keep it that way because the know us mere morsels will pay through the nose to drive, eat, drink and keep warm.

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[ posted by Alex M, 02.08.12 12:11 ]

Don't hold your breath expecting governments to do anything about it. Why would they kill the goose that laid the golden egg? The higher the price, the more revenue in taxes they get. Speculators and traders don't care about the people, they're in it for what they can get so don'rt expect any help there either. Sadly, the general public are apathetic and with very little media exposure to the scandal they will do nothing expect complain between episodes of Coronation Street and Eastenders!
We are sheep, reared to be fleeced and slaughtered!

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[ posted by Peter Taylor, 03.08.12 01:16 ]

I watched with interest the interview of the CEO of Exxon by Ms Cantwell and it crossed my mind that we hear a lot about people in America complaining about the cost of road fuel, which I think is currently retailing in the region of $3.75 per gallon on average. Source: eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/

Frankly, I would welcome the opportunity to buy my diesel for the sterling equivalent of four dollars a gallon. By my reckoning that would work out at 51p per litre.

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[ posted by Jim king, 03.08.12 12:45 ]

nice idea Peter Taylor.

I would be happy with it too, though my sums make it about 68p a litre.
This is based on the dollar being worth 64p so $4 = £2.56
A US gallon is 3.78541 litres.
So 256/3.78541 = 67.628p per litre. Still much more attractive than the current UK prices :o)

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[ posted by Dean Greaves, 03.08.12 16:28 ]

I seem to remember David Cameron promising to help the stability of fuel pricing by introducing a system of lowering fuel duty as the cost of oil went up, increasing fuel duty as the price of oil dropped in his pre-election manifesto. Not an ideal solution but I thought how refreshing it was that a politician was actually taking the price of fuel seriously. He got voted in, never heard him mention 'fair pricing' again. He's a millionaire, what does he care?

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[ posted by jean parker, 07.08.12 15:38 ]

when the goverment said there would be no tax put on the fuel for aug we thought good we are going to get something back but I was wrong. For a few days the petrol stayed the same at the supermarket nearest to where I live but now it is going up again 1p a litre every day,before long it will be going up while you are waiting in the queue to fill up,

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[ posted by jez, 07.08.12 17:04 ]

Yes indeed Chris Wood has a point, Diesel prices have increased as the has the level of diesel car ownership, and now that some boffin has decided that diesel isn't as friendly a fuel as was once thought like we really needed telling this if you've ever followed a bus or lorry up the road and chocked on its black sooty fumes, diesel car road tax will undoubtedly rise alone the same lines as petrol road tax.

I find it laughable that Gordon Brown said they needed to do something about the cost of fuel and then raised the tax on fuel duty, in the last election Camerons new puppet errr i mean Nick Cleggs party promised to do something about the rising cost of fuel and road tax in their manifesto.... then what happened they got swolled up my the tax and power hungy conservatives...

Nothing changes then Eh !!!

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[ posted by Jim King, 07.08.12 20:29 ]

An answer to Dean Greaves.

Indeed David Cameron and his party did offer a mechanism by which fuel duty would decrease when oil prices are high. They called it the fair fuel stabilizer. It was supposed to keep the price at the pump stable.

However, this was a classic case of "promise the world, and deliver an atlas". As it was a manifesto promise they could not really ignore it, so during his first budget, the one when George Osbourne cut fuel duty by a whopping 1p a litre, remember that? That's when they "made good" on the pledge. Well, that is, made good only in their minds.

Basically they decided they could not afford to do as promised, so instead Boy Wonder stood up and said that whilst oil prices are high then fuel duty will only be raised by inflation, fuel duty will only be raised by more than inflation when oil prices are low. Then at the end of speaking such garbage, he pronounced "That is the fair fuel stabilizer".

Of course right away you can see the lowering of duty never happens, in fact, neither does a freeze in it. It can only ever go up, and if the oil price is low, so it goes up by "more than inflation" then when the price raises a week later, fuel duty will never drop down, only be raised again next year by inflation only.

Great isn't it.

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[ posted by Ian Quick, 10.08.12 09:32 ]

I am sorry to be a bit abrupt but isnt anyone reading the comments posted ??? we all read the papers about whats going on in the country but nothing seem to be getting done

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[ posted by admin, 10.08.12 09:37 ]

yes the comments are being read avidly and also by politicians. Over 2 million visitors read the FFUK Blog in the last 12 months

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[ posted by Jim King, 10.08.12 19:24 ]

I wonder by which politicians. They don't seem to do much about things if they are there.

HELLO POLITICIAN (would put a wavey thingy here if i could) COOEE, CAN YOU HEAR US, HELLO.

Just a simple comment would be enough but i wont bet on it.

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[ posted by Lorna Thompson, 15.08.12 11:03 ]

I also believe the heating oil suppliers are operating a cartel and need monitering

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[ posted by george masson, 30.08.12 20:35 ]

Why cant the world or the british goverment name and shame the speculators who are causing the misery to everybody. Here in this town where I live the rise has been one pence a week for the last six weeks if one garage puts up its price the rest follow suit its like a cartel and wants stopping I wonder if every motorist in the country stopped buying fuel for two days or a week it would make the suppliers or the speculators wake up to the damage that is being caused in this country and the world by their greed and the british goverment badly needs to take their fingers out and do something about the mess which is partly their fault for letting it happen but of course they wont the speculators put money in their coffers and that says it all.

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