Wednesday, November 16, 2011
This is the official response by the Government to the FairFuelUK petition on line

"This e-petition has reached 100,000 signatures. The Government has notified the Backbench Business Committee in the House of Commons, who have scheduled a debate on the matter on 15 November.

This e-petition will remain live, and people will be able to continue adding their signatures. Click on the GOVERNMENT E_PETITION in the menu above. In the meantime, we would like to update you on the Government’s current position on the substance of this e-petition.

"The Government recognises that the price of petrol has become an increasingly significant part of day-to-day spending. We know this is causing real difficulties in ensuring that motoring remains affordable and people are feeling the pinch. This is why we announced a £2bn package, in the Budget, to support motorists.

We cut fuel duty by 1 penny per litre from Budget Day. We cancelled the previous government’s fuel duty escalator which would have increased pump prices by 1 penny above inflation



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[ posted by Gordon Patten, 16.11.11 21:00 ]

Reading the above statement through twice, I find it incrediable that the Government still is failing to listen to the 114000 people and the 100 or so MPs who backed the motion on tuesday. The situation of bringing the rest of europes issues in with the fuel issue we are talking about here is nuts. Whist I accept that other areas maybe more important to Mr Osborne and Mr Cameron, I am far more concerned with the issues that effect me and my daily life. The major one at this time is the amount of duty we pay on our fuel. Yet again, in my opinion, this government has shown its total contempt for the every day person in the street and is more concerned with filling its own pockets of money and power.

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[ posted by Darren Gladstone, 16.11.11 21:22 ]

(S)Cameron and Co.

You lot are screwed at the next election. Fact!

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[ posted by Adam Chase, 16.11.11 21:35 ]

what a load of bullshit. im getting to the point where i will have to take a lower paid job cause i cant afford the 100 pounds a week that im spending in petrol just to get to and from work, at the end of the day if i take a lower paid job closer to where i live, ill save money on fuel, ill get taxed a hell of a lot less on my income and the govt will loose out. dont they realise this? i wouldnt mind so much if everyone was getting screwed on tax rather than making motorists bend over. and the co2 based car tax bands is a load of bullshit too. how can some eco shoebox get free road tax when an old car (thats more economical due to having offset far more of its manufacturing emission output) wear the road less justify not having to pay tax. getting rid of road tax would be a better idea then the people who drive more will end up paying more due to the tax they pay on fuel. hell its not like road tax has made any difference to the conditions of uk roads. this govt and country is an utter joke.

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[ posted by Paul Heath, 16.11.11 21:43 ]

With increasing cost's how is this going to encourage any growth.
The only way to get this country out of this mess is to pull out of Brussel's completly.This is what is killing us all.

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[ posted by Lynsey, 16.11.11 21:50 ]

I can't believe that response! Don't they see that the cost of petrol is damaging the economy just as much? Police are facing redundancies and yet their petrol budgets are obscene, hospitals are closing units and relying on ambulance transfers to move patients but the trusts are only now realising they can't afford the petrol bill. Social care costs have risen sharply because of the petrol to go from house to house. Food and clothes are more expensive because of transportation and they think we should be chuffed they didn't take an extra 1p??

They need to understand that people are not complaining they can't take a Sunday drive or that they have to take a bus to work.They need to understand people can't afford to work anymore because they can't get there. People in the lowest paying jobs, working shifts in warehouses and care homes HAVE to drive to work because buses don't run late at night or getting raped, mugged or murdered is too much of a risk. You ask most of those low wage earners who have been taken out of paying tax if they would prefer to be able to get to work and be able to afford to buy food or if they would like a few quid back on tax.

Sorry for ranting but their response is a load of nonsense. Gordon Brown was hopeless, relying on not doing something he suggested is not a good enough excuse. Petrol may not matter to them but it is crippling the rest of the country while they can afford to buy a house or a second house only minutes away from where they work.

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[ posted by TC, 16.11.11 21:52 ]

Fuel duty is ridiculous, but it will never change.

I certainly don't think that another party will reduce the duty either.

If the Tories go out, Labour will get back in and we'll see even worse file prices among other things.

High fuel prices are here to stay, and will get worse.

The only way to ge the government to take action is to bring the whole of the UK to a standstill as a protest. And unfortunately this will also never happen.

In the usual British manner, we have to suck it up and geon with it. Which is terrible.

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[ posted by Chris Evans, 16.11.11 21:56 ]

Amazing response, so in brief if they shaft us over fuel prices it's for our own good? Is that so we can raise state benefits by the rate of inflation but people who commute to work get to pay for it and receive a below inflation pay rise. What a load of pompous bollocks. Cut benefits, get out of Europe,cut overseas aid, stop bailing out the Euro and spend British money on the British! It's not rocket science.

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[ posted by Steve, 16.11.11 22:01 ]

I get fed up with all the talk about how we are paying less than we would have been if Labour were still in power. Labour are not in power so to tell me that I am better off just because they aren't is so annoying. We are not better off because we were NEVER paying the price that they are talking about. We are however paying the highest price for fuel ever in this country. Unemployment rose again in the last 3 months to 2.62 Million, Bank of England has said the Economic outlook has got worse, and the ones that are lucky enough to be in work have to continue to pay vast amounts of VAT and TAX on fuel. If this continues then we will be in recession officially soon. Lower the TAX on fuel and let the country get back on its feet.

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[ posted by Neil Jones, 16.11.11 22:02 ]

"Abandoning the Goverment's plan could lead to rising interest rates and failing international confidence, which would undermine the recovery."

The recovery is already undermined, slow and painful and according to Mervyn King, we're going to be stuck in the current economic situation for the best part of the next year. Surely we cannot go on like this? Yes the Eurozone crisis is important, and a handy distraction from the issue at hand, but let's be honest - we're all basically stuffed at the moment.

To run a car is very expensive, with the tax, insurance, annual MOT requirements, maintenance and fuel. The biggest cost could ultimately end up not being the fuel and the duty it attracts, but just to insure the vehicle. £675 with 4 years no claim was my last quote for my 54 Reg Ford Ka after knocking it down from £1028. I'm fortunate really in that I can get away with filling the car up every three to four weeks, but I actually spend more on insurance than I currently do on petrol in a year!

However I do support the cause of lower petrol prices and still believe it will help get the economy moving again. By making it more affordable to fill a car up keeps business costs down which may enable another job vacancy to be made. If petrol hits £1.50 a litre under the current model, then the nightmare with the economy will really hit a slippery slope from which there may be no return for many years.

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[ posted by dave mac, 16.11.11 22:22 ]

while we also deal with the debits we inherited.”
Seems the only thing this coalition can ever come up with, what a cop-out!! SO, where do we go from ere, looks like the end of the road, and Cameron and his cronies get away with treating us all like s..t!!

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[ posted by Andy Newnham, 16.11.11 22:31 ]

This is quite simply, a joke!

Over 100,000 people who bothered to sign the petition get fed the same load of tosh that we got fed the last time a rise was scrapped.

We don't need the rise scrapping, we need the cost reducing significantly so we can all afford to go to work and support our kids!

Lets not beat around the bush, my employer will not want to raise my income to accomodate for the fact I cant really afford to run my car and get to work, and my spare income after paying out just to go to work is pretty much nil.
So I can't be alone in this... where does the extra money to spend this christmas and boost the retail economy come from then? It isn't there! Where does the extra VAT go to, on all the extra stuff we have bought that could be going into the Government coffers... It doesn't, because there is no money to spend.

As for the moron's who refer to the environment,, banging on about how we all need to downsize our cars and pay less on our emissions based road tax and fuel etc, well if someone wants to give me the 3 or 4 grand to go and buy a more economical car like a diesel Clio and pay £35 a year, getting 65mpg, great.... Until then we're all screwed sitting on our normal cars as we haven't the money to change!!! If you've ever tried piling in your entire family into a Clio, and you don't need a more costly to run Vectra sized family car then good for you, carry on living in cloud cuckoo land while the rest of us suffer and get ignored.

Public transport is not able to carry out the running around that a family has to do, in the daily timeframes, and get 2 people to different workplaces even only 10 miles outside london on the semi-rural hertfordshire border. It will never be able to fulfil the needs for everyone even 10 years forward and the sooner that is understood fully by the Bus and Bike brigade, the better, as the Car is a neccessity, not a flippin luxury!!!

I honestly cannot believe the contempt that this press release from the Government holds us in, this is democracy at its best was quoted in one of the press cuttings... but they will still ignore it, and we will still suffer.

Just unreal.

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[ posted by Mal, 16.11.11 22:33 ]

Arrogance. When is this govt going to Listen.

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[ posted by Tweety, 16.11.11 22:56 ]

What a typical response from this narrow-minded, selfish government. All they care about is highlighting the problems they "inherited", and highlighting what they suppose they've done to help motorists (which is actually very little, contrary to their beliefs). If they think they've done enough by scrapping the fuel escalator, then they can think again.
They have clearly NOT listened to the argument that lowering fuel duty will help the economy - all they care about is getting 'funding for public spending' (err, hello, they're CUTTING things rather than spending!) through the stratospheric fuel duty. It's a joke. We MUST keep campaigning on this because it's simply getting ridiculous. All I can say is, they'd better do something!

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[ posted by David, 16.11.11 23:05 ]

Ahh but they ramped the price up by approx 36p per Litre. Then said we will be cutting the price by one penny !!! What mugs we are.
From a concerned Lincolnshire motorist.

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[ posted by Nigel White, 16.11.11 23:12 ]

To me the statement is driven by the Treasury! It is narrow minded, naive and fails to look at the reality of the situation we are in! It is not the petrol companies that control the majority of the cost, it is the duty! This is controlled by the government, but they are not controlling it! It seems that they fail to realise, as with most governments, that if prices go up, the usage goes down and that means less duty! Also that as fuel is a very major part of prices, they will rise, jobs will go, businesses will fail and the number claiming benefits will increase!
That means the duty they raise will vanish. If they lowered duty, then prices would fall, jobs increase, people will spend more and their income from duty will rise! The big problem is that the treasury don't have a clue about business, or about how people live!
There is now a very large section of the community that are trapped in their homes, or the immediate area they live in, as they cannot afford to go anywhere! Rural areas are the worst affected by this and people have to choose between heating, food and travel. Some have to drive a distance to get to a shop, so what are they supposed to do! The government need to given a lesson in basic economics, as they don't seem to have a clue!

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[ posted by Nigel White, 16.11.11 23:13 ]

To me the statement is driven by the Treasury! It is narrow minded, naive and fails to look at the reality of the situation we are in! It is not the petrol companies that control the majority of the cost, it is the duty! This is controlled by the government, but they are not controlling it! It seems that they fail to realise, as with most governments, that if prices go up, the usage goes down and that means less duty! Also that as fuel is a very major part of prices, they will rise, jobs will go, businesses will fail and the number claiming benefits will increase!
That means the duty they raise will vanish. If they lowered duty, then prices would fall, jobs increase, people will spend more and their income from duty will rise! The big problem is that the treasury don't have a clue about business, or about how people live!
There is now a very large section of the community that are trapped in their homes, or the immediate area they live in, as they cannot afford to go anywhere! Rural areas are the worst affected by this and people have to choose between heating, food and travel. Some have to drive a distance to get to a shop, so what are they supposed to do! The government need to given a lesson in basic economics, as they don't seem to have a clue!

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[ posted by David Britten, 16.11.11 23:59 ]

It is very clear to me that the chancellor is in urgent need of a course of study into basic economics. Increasing a tax on a commodity to the extent that it becomes unaffordable will eventually force people to find alternatives. Thus there will be no revenue benefit to the exchequer and our economy will be seriously damaged. The voice of the people means nothing to this government, but big business just might swing it for us if they put pressure on Osbourne. He is a serious danger to our future.

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[ posted by robert hall, 17.11.11 07:28 ]

you are having a laugh,fuel has just gone up by 2p a llitre here in the last week alone its now 139.9,as for saving my weekly fuel bill in now £45 a week and that is JUST TO GET TO WORK
thanks for nothing,you will not be getting my vote next time round,you work FOR us to DO OUR WISHES not what you feel like.

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[ posted by Steve, 17.11.11 08:36 ]

So is that a No then to the scrapping of Jan increase ?

What next, do we have to do a boycott 1 day a week for the next 6 / 7 / 8 weeks of ALL fuel filling stations to hit the government in the pocket, to show what in reality will happen if the duty goes on. because in real terms this is what will most likely be the effect of the next increase when people buy even less fuel.
This will also have a real knock on effect to the motor trade, as who is going to buy a car if the fuel is so expensive ?

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[ posted by Ben, 17.11.11 08:46 ]

Proof that the diplomatic route achieves nothing. Direct action is the only way now.

FFUK - by supporting and coordinating direct action, you have the unique opportunity to ensure that the protests and actions are as big as possible while minimising possible problems for the public. Any other course of action will now damage support for the cause - people are disillusioned with words (we've been getting them from the liars in power for decades) and need proof that someone out there will actually stand up for them.

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[ posted by john mayberry, 17.11.11 11:43 ]

like I said in an earlier blog this lot will not listen' blockades will have to be introduced or this govt have to be removed now. they dont seem to grasp that if a 20p reduction in fuel duty is introduced they will recieve more revenue in vat in the high st with people spending money again thus creating new jobs its a no brainer.heaven help us

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[ posted by john mayberry, 17.11.11 11:50 ]

let us not forget that creep clegg who seems to get forgotten in this it was that cretin that put this lot into power, we should have learned a lesson from the thatcher years and never let a tory govt govern this country again

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[ posted by Garry Clark, 17.11.11 12:43 ]

They are not listening, still!! My local Tesco has just put up diesel again by another 1p, when willl this complete stupidity end? When motoring can only be afforded by the chosen few? When millions of families have gone under? Cameron, do something, NOW!!

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[ posted by Ian, 17.11.11 13:08 ]

Government tell us that giving up the 3ppl rise in January will cost them £1.5b. It won’t cost them anything as they don’t have it yet!

What about the extra revenue they have collected from the increased retail price of petrol (probably 20ppl since this time last year)

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[ posted by chris, 18.11.11 21:52 ]

i can sort this out, elect me as PM and ill run the country :) whats the point in electing somone els there all the same lying cheating wa**ers as the last :)

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[ posted by Oliver J R Reeve, 19.11.11 13:11 ]

The fuel duty is simply pure theft. Only a tiny fraction of the money collected is actually spent on infrastructure .
The infrastructure in the UK is antiquated crap ; and will remain so , unless the Government invests more in roads , motorways , railways , bridges , canals etc.
I suggest that a "Nationwide Average Speed Index" be devised . Until a serious improvement is achieved in NASI , absolutely no increase in duty should be permitted .
How the treasury must rub their hands together when commuters are caught in time wasting jams burning up extra fuel and thus paying extra tax.

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[ posted by John Parslow, 21.11.11 11:15 ]

Fuel is too dammed expensive already

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[ posted by Peter Merricks, 07.03.12 11:47 ]

I also find it incredible the government's response. I heard today on the radio news that they have saved me 10p litre on fuel. That's like going into a shop and being told that they are still making a profit, and so they haven't increased their prices. It is a mythical saving. A saving is reducing the existing price.

The trouble is that succesive governments have relied on to many stealth taxes. like some other commodities there's tax on tax. Duty is raised, and then in turn more VAT is collected on top of that duty rise.....

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